I wouldn't get out of bed for R4000 a month to be a policeman no fricking way...
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I wouldn't get out of bed for R4000 a month to be a policeman no fricking way...
Hahahaha you do have to laugh actually... Isn't that what the government wanted???
No actually it's not what they want. They want a diverse South Africa.
Erm actually for an entry level job that isn't a bad wage. I started out earning R400 a week while i was in training at a company. I then got bumped up to R4000.
Actually it's not a bad start at all considering that
1. Teachers start out at perhaps twice that amount after having spent 4 years studying at university.
and
2. Cops get trained for 6 months and they are good to go...
Mila
Honorary Master
+10
What i thought too.
They pay you R4000 a month to go to police college. I wish TUT wanted to pay me to study.
DigitalSoldier
Honorary Master
R/SGT did not say they do get paid R4000 when they join.
I misunderstood apologies, for going to college and getting paid R4000 that's cool. However what is the salary of a fresh out of college policeman?
How much more. My point (because I clearly didn't get it across
) was that for R4000 a month to risk my life etc, no way, obviously I stand corrected now.
How much more. My point (because I clearly didn't get it across
) was that for R4000 a month to risk my life etc, no way, obviously I stand corrected now.Their training is divided into thre phases
6 month Police colledge - R1500 + accomodation and food
6 month Field training - R2500 - no accomodation or food
6 month tactical training - R3500 Accomodation and food
They are on on polmed, not sure what their contribution is
I saw the scale a while ago, so it might not be accurate.
6 month Police colledge - R1500 + accomodation and food
6 month Field training - R2500 - no accomodation or food
6 month tactical training - R3500 Accomodation and food
They are on on polmed, not sure what their contribution is
I saw the scale a while ago, so it might not be accurate.
Empiricism Philosopher
Expert Member
I would join the cops but I'm to white to get into the S.W.A.T teams that would be awesome! I'd get to shoot drug lords!
that would be awesome! I'd get to shoot drug lords!garyb01
Senior Member
Yip, agree! Was in for 13 years myself, Senior officer, worked my ass off and gave my all to fight crime, constantly on standby, working 18 hrs a day, no overtime, no additional compensation than the pittance of a salary that we received. All of this only to be told that we were too white to be promoted and had to stand and watch how far junior members, very inexperienced with no management skills and very little knowledge on how to properly fight crime, were promoted above us, because they were black.
The SAPS forced the experienced white and other minority race officers out, to find alternative employment, all while the crime rate in this country has spiralled out of control year on year, while the real experience and knowledge on how to CORRECTLY fight crime, is all sitting out in the private sector.
In my area alone, when I left, the number of resignations and resigning of commissions in the case of officers was sitting at around 250 per week, many of those men and woman who were proud to fight crime and serve their country! Now they want the whites and other minorities to join again?
Change the policies, recognise achievement and hard work through salary increases and promotions irrespective of race, get rid of the thousands of 'Loafers" who are only there to earn a monthly salary and I can guarantee you that the crime rate will fall drastically in this country. Offer those who have left the chance to re-join under these circumstances and I can guarantee thousands of applications for re-enlistment, and once again, a drastically reduced crime rate!
No.... They wanted more "non whites" in the police force. Empowered them all with AA/BEE now they're crying out for more "minorities" if they had left well enough alone and gradually trained people for the jobs at hand they would not have been in this position.
garyb01
Senior Member
+100000000
Just before I left I wrote a Memorandum strongly advocating a change in policies from "get them out and replace with black members as quickly as possible" (Quoted because this was stated to me by a senior Commissioner), to a Mentorship program where officers offered packages to leave, which was all the craze of the day, or going on retirement, would only receive those once they had adequately trained a new member for that position, to maintain continuity of knowledge and experience and a high level of management capability. This was of course shot down as quickly as it was written and the aforementioned policy was followed..........
But that is exactly the diversity that we were lacking hence the non-whites got more jobs. Now the scale has been tipped and they need to balance it out again. I don't think people should take it so personally.
But yea i agree with you about training people for the job instead of trying to rectify the situation overnight.
That's just my 2cents worth.
But yea i agree with you about training people for the job instead of trying to rectify the situation overnight.
That's just my 2cents worth.
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I think people should to a degree take it personally. My opinion because, if they had left well enough alone and trained the other ethnicities gradually to a decent standard of policing I can't help thinking that the crime problem in SA would be a little less severe. Leading from that some lives could have been saved.
garyb01
Senior Member
And it need to emphasize that its not only a" White" thing, I knew a very well qualified and fantastic (at her job) Indian lady who applied for the position "Area Head, Financial Services". We were all certain that she would get the post, only for a junior clerk to get the job, ONLY BECAUSE SHE WAS "BLACK". The SAPS lost the services of this Indian lady and she now has a high placed position with a well known forensic auditing company. Another sad loss! I later heard that the person who was awarded the position resigned a year later because of stress as she just could not handle the job and the stress that it came with, i.e, she was simply under qualified for the position.
It did not matter how many murderers, rapists, armed robbers, car thieves etc you had caught and sent away, what mattered was that you were white, or even not black enough, and had to be replaced! And I dare anyone to prove me wrong on this, I have kept every memo and file int his regards and prove everything I say, and now that want us to join again? Pffff!
It did not matter how many murderers, rapists, armed robbers, car thieves etc you had caught and sent away, what mattered was that you were white, or even not black enough, and had to be replaced! And I dare anyone to prove me wrong on this, I have kept every memo and file int his regards and prove everything I say, and now that want us to join again? Pffff!
garyb01
Senior Member
Sorry but i have to disagree. Take it from someone who has dedicated his life to this and nearly lost it on several occasions in fighting crime: Lack of effective policing will always result in anarchy and spiralling crime figures. Its proven world wide!
Placing inexperienced people in positions of great authority(is in this case, senior management positions within the SAPS and indeed, also direct line of command positions on the streets), without adequately training them and preparing them, and doing it only because of the colour of their skin and ethnic origin, will and as it has in this case, always lead to the crime situation we have today. In my qualified opinion, it is most definitely the overwhelming factor!
Yes it's a contributing factor, by how much one can only hazard a guess and it would be a very complex formula to work out, however in the grand scheme of things, even if 1% of crimes commited since 1994 could have been avoided how many lives do you think would have been saved? How many women do you think would not be scarred for life? How much money could have been saved in insurance claims? Quite a bit I think.
Thumb suck percentage, but even if it was 0.5 percent it's an improvememnt on what you have now.
Both valid points and i agree with both Retrobok and garybo1.
Something is indeed always better than nothing you are right Retrobok. Lives would have been saved and even if it was one life it would be worth it.
More criminals would be behind bars if the police were more effective in doing their job and logic would deduce that the problem lies within the realm of quotas and lack of excellent training.
How do we fix this ?
Something is indeed always better than nothing you are right Retrobok. Lives would have been saved and even if it was one life it would be worth it.
More criminals would be behind bars if the police were more effective in doing their job and logic would deduce that the problem lies within the realm of quotas and lack of excellent training.
How do we fix this ?
I can tell you how you don't fix this: With a short term solution.
Those white officers that lost their jobs are lost forever, yes the odd few might be convinced to go back but very few why should they?
Off the top of my head, I don't know, invite interpol to set up a training college (very strict, rigorous), for all races not just certain races, and start retraining a new police force. Once they are up to scratch they gradually replace existing officers who then go for this training. Eventually it will work, but that would be a long term solution.