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so it appears Vox / datapro is exceptionally more than the rest .... do you guys see it to or am i mistaken?

everyone else is 0.0xxxx where vox is 0.xxxxx

why is the price different for different ISPs / VANs companies?
 
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freeek said:
why is the price different for different ISPs / VANs companies?
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Cause the various ISPs charge Telkom different termination rates. Also some do off-peak while others have a flat rate all the time.
 
Vox is not the most expensive...

But Vox was the first to get the interconnect done with Telkom, and Telkom is sitting on the price you see. Vox have negotiated lower interconnect fees, resulting in their calls to Telkom being droped to 39c, but Telkom won't budge on dropping their fees. Don't blame the SP you are dialling to, blame the SP you are dialling form.

I have been on Vox for three whole months now, and I have seriously saved bangs of cash on my calls... My in-laws now want one...
 
schurtek: I'm not sure where you're getting your information from, but it is wrong.

Firstly, Telkom charge all licenced VANS the same rates. Neither Vox nor any other VANS are in a position to "negotiate" these rates on an individual basis (although they may be able to negotiate collectively).

There are other ways Vox (or any other VANS) may be reducing their rates. e.g. Reducing their profit margin and/or implementing interconnects in more cities (in which case Telkom charge the local wholesale rate rather then the national wholesale rate).

In terms of Telkom's rate to call VANS, Telkom charge R0.44 + the VANS' terminate fee + VAT. In other words, of the Telkom rate of R1.07 to call Vox, R0.44 is determined by Telkom, R0.50 is determined by Vox and the remainder is VAT.

So 53% of the responsibility for the high Telkom -> Vox call charge vests with Vox, and 47% with Telkom.

I'm no fan of Telkom, and will attack them where they are out of line, but do not think it is fair to attack them when they are being reasonable.

Your suggestion to blame the SP you are dialling from is disingenious: it completely ignore the fact that the network you are dialling to determines their wholesale interconnect fee.

Bottom line is that in calls between two networks, both networks influence the rates: one by their wholesale termination rate; the other by their profit margin.
 
I get my information from the horses mouth. I am highly involved with the vox product. The interconnect between Telkom and Vox has now been dropped and is sitting at around 35c. It was 44.5c. The interconnect isn't in cities, it is a connection of infrastucture. They have interconnection points in three cities only, namely Pretoria, Cape Town and Durban. This is not to reduce prices, but rather to reduce latency. You are connected from the nearest city to you to reduce the distance your call travels on the net.

Secondly, the rates are negotiated individually, as each VANS has it's own agreement with Telkom. Not collectively. Only the Mobile Providers interconnects are governed by ICASA since the episode of price fixing when Cell C joined the market.

Telkom's Rates to VANS

Cybersmart (625) R 0.5130
Telfree (750-754) R 0.5928
Verizon (740) R 0.6726
CMC (825), Intercel (635), Telconet (830) R 0.7296
PAWS (905) R 0.7410
ICT (960) R 0.7866
Connection Telecom (820), Gateway (790), IS (350-359), Magnolia Wireless (650) R 0.8208
Open voice (855), Telkom Internet (200-201) R 0.8436
MTN Network Services (845) R 0.9006
ECN (940), Intergrat (970), Orion (870), Securelink (640) R 0.9120
ICtel (510) R 1.0374
Broadband Networks (810), FNB (575), M-Web (700-701), Nexor (935) R 1.0672
GVSC (695), iBurst (720-722), NetVoip(985), Skycom (945), Storm (780-781), Vox (805-808) R 1.0716
SafikaTel (380-389) R 1.5048

If each VANS had the same interconnect then why would telkom have such a vast difference in this pricing?

Secondly, Vox has free calls within their own network, and this is using a Vox handset, not your PC. I don't want to have to have my PC on to make and receive calls. I want a physical phone. Vox gave me this, as many other providers do, but I chose Vox because of the free calls for Vox to Vox. Now all my customers are switching to Vox, so they can call free for Tech Support. Many of my suppliers are looking at Vox for the same reason. If your concern is that customers will complain about the R1,07 call charge, consider then the cost of calling a mobile, and consider switching them to Vox. Consider that the R49 per month they spend to be with Vox will be recouped after approx. 120 minutes worth of mobile calls.

Business is about the bottom line, and Vox has succeeded in improving that for me, and each client who has switched.
 
schurtek said:
GVSC (695), iBurst (720-722), NetVoip(985), Skycom (945), Storm (780-781), Vox (805-808) R 1.0716
SafikaTel (380-389) R 1.5048
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Oh, I am so sorry, Telkom must have made a typo... seems there are four other providers sharing the Telkom to Vox rate... and one provider that is nearly 50% more expensive to call? Must be a conspiracy to discredit Vox.
 
schurtek said:
Secondly, Vox has free calls within their own network, and this is using a Vox handset, not your PC. I don't want to have to have my PC on to make and receive calls. I want a physical phone. Vox gave me this, as many other providers do, but I chose Vox because of the free calls for Vox to Vox. Now all my customers are switching to Vox, so they can call free for Tech Support. Many of my suppliers are looking at Vox for the same reason. If your concern is that customers will complain about the R1,07 call charge, consider then the cost of calling a mobile, and consider switching them to Vox. Consider that the R49 per month they spend to be with Vox will be recouped after approx. 120 minutes worth of mobile calls.
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RAS

You're obviously not interested in understand what gmza posted are just selling.

PS: Can I introduce you to a marvellous investment opportunity from a company called Dealstream?
 
schurtek said:
Roman, I don't understand what you mean?
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RAS = Report As Spam = unsolicited selling.

Instead of responding to the facts, that there is no conspiracy and Telkom just mark up each provider's termination rates uniformly, you went on about how great the product you resell is and anything to the contrary is a plot to undermine them.

My final remark was a sarcastic quip trying to illustrate to you that your supplier is not immune to making (large) bugger ups and you shouldn't be following them so blindly. Rather, get informed and make your own descisions based on value and merit.
 
Aah... touche...

Actually, I am not following them as blindly as you thinking... I was responding to the statement that Vox works out the most expensive, and I was giving testimony to the contrary.

I am not soliciting anyone to buy Vox from me... it makes no difference to me... when you find something good, you want everyone to get it, and I do, I want everyone to use Vox, but then again, it's not the right choice for everyone. My more corporate clients require a sip trunk for an asterisk based call center, I use Orion along with a Diginet line...

I base each install on it's merits, but 90% of the time, Vox fits like a glove and does the job perfectly.
 
schurtek said:
Oh, I am so sorry, Telkom must have made a typo... seems there are four other providers sharing the Telkom to Vox rate... and one provider that is nearly 50% more expensive to call? Must be a conspiracy to discredit Vox.
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BTW: This was pure Sarcasm... it is not something I said in fact, it was purely a cocky response to the statement that all VANS were created equal... if anyone was offended by it... tough...

Lol....

Next question?
 
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Seems that this 087 number is not that free after all...
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FNB Connect's support number is : 087 575 0001 between 08:30 and 16:00.

Does anybody know where the cost tables are for these numbers to telkom phones are?
 
Well I have just had an almost impossible conversation with FNB using an 087 number. I could barely make out what the guy was saying. I have used Skype for years to the US and UK and I have never had a bad a connection as I had with this call to FNB. If I did not have to persist with the call I would hung up. If I though it would make any difference, I would let FNB know.

So if this is the standard with an 087 number, I suggest careful consideration before trying to use it in a business.

Oh, almost forget. Got cut off in the end. The guy called me back. The line was marginally better.
 
Londo said:
Well I have just had an almost impossible conversation with FNB using an 087 number. I could barely make out what the guy was saying. I have used Skype for years to the US and UK and I have never had a bad a connection as I had with this call to FNB. If I did not have to persist with the call I would hung up. If I though it would make any difference, I would let FNB know.

So if this is the standard with an 087 number, I suggest careful consideration before trying to use it in a business.

Oh, almost forget. Got cut off in the end. The guy called me back. The line was marginally better.
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What are you using for your calls? I tried to use the app and the soft phone and the quality was crap. Then I used a Cisco ata and the quality was far better than Skype. Then I used a Siemens gigaset VoIP phone, and the quality was good too.

It's so clear people don't believe me when I tell them it's VOIP. Depend what equipment and codecs you are using though
 
Hi Guys,

So 087 numbers are classified as Non-Geographic Numbers. Any Company who gets an IECNS License is allowed to build their own Electronic Communications Network and Interconnect to all the operators to render Voice Services.
ICASA Allocates each operator a block of Geographic Numbers (010,012,031 ETC...) and a block of Non-Geographic Numbers(087).

When the operator signs the interconnect agreement with Telkom they publish their "interconnect rate" this is the rate they charge Telkom when calling one of their 087 numbers. This rate is regulated by ICASA but can differ slightly between providers.

If you Access Telkom web site you can get a list of what they charge to call each operator - http://www.telkom.co.za/general/pricelist/automaticexchanges_worldcall.html

As an Example BitCo has the 087 135 XXXX Range of 087 Numbers and if you call any of our 087 numbers from Telkom they charge you 57c per min.

Some providers charge customers for the numbers and others don’t this all depends on the specific company.

BitCo does not charge for any Geographic or Non-Geographic Numbers we give them out free of charge to customers connecting to our network.

Regards,
BitCo
 
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