1 million whites have left SA

during the dark days of Apartheid, many blacks, despite the hardships they endured, managed to become highly professional people, experts in their fields, for some of you to believe that only whites have the capacity, you are sadly mistaken

think of people like

Bernard Ngoepe
Dr Nthato Motlana
Nelson Mandela
Oliver Tambo
and too many others to mention
 
xtermin8or said:
during the dark days of Apartheid, many blacks, despite the hardships they endured, managed to become highly professional people, experts in their fields, for some of you to believe that only whites have the capacity, you are sadly mistaken

think of people like

Bernard Ngoepe
Dr Nthato Motlana
Nelson Mandela
Oliver Tambo
and too many others to mention
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Yes like Manto Tshabalala-Msimang. Give me a brake. Just because you got a degree (in the Soviet Union) doesn't mean you are good at what you do!
 
@ drone - all those I mentioned studied in the good ol RSA, and had a much tougher time studying than you ever have/will
 
xtermin8or said:
predominantly black universities have dramatically increased the numbers of doctors they produce 737 in 2005 compared to 231 in 1994

predominantly white universities have only increased their output by 8 percent, so there are enough black doctors to counter what some people call the brain drain
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Numbers might be up but standard are definitely down!
 
Brenden_E said:
Next time you land up in the hospital - and you're operated on by a baffoon cause there's no good doctor around - then you'll care.
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Jis, you are a n00b. What the hell does RACE have to do with good or bad doctors?! Are you implying that only WHITE doctors are GOOD doctors?!
 
Drone 42 said:
Numbers might be up but standard are definitely down!
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I must agree here.

When it comes to my health I cannot take a chance, neither can anyone for that matter.

I am not being negative but realistic.

On Topic:
I think this figure of 1 Million is a underestimate. I reckon it is closer to 2 or 3 Million.
And that the Census is wrong in determining the Total White Population at 5.2Million in 1994 as I think the figure was closer to 10 Million.

I couldn't imagine having to leave the Country I was born in, although I cannot really tell as I have not been overseas to see for myself if life is better living in places like the UK, Australia, or one of the other popular destinations.
 
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BTTB said:
I must agree here.

When it comes to my health I cannot take a chance, neither can anyone for that matter.

I am not being negative but realistic.
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so you agree that only whites doctors have high standards - and before you say no-one mentioned race - this thread is about whites leaving the country
 
Drone 42 said:
Numbers might be up but standard are definitely down!
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Really? Show me..
(and show me in real terms, not in some newspaper/website made to infuriate the whites)

My girlfriend is studying medicine. When i help her with research, the things they do are on par with universities across the world. I cant really say more about it because i dunno wat she's going on about half the time :p

Im in my final year of math sci (comp sci and applied math). I (and non of my non-white peers) hav any problems picking up a book/going to another universities website and looking up a topic we hav no knowledge of besides the basic math. Are we below standard? I dont think so.

Different pass marks for different races?? never heard of that. Also, ive never seen any1 pass that i felt shouldnt have.

Its strange how we seem to think that only white people can become competent. Its also strange to think that some1 fails because of their race and not because they are outside partying half of the time.

I dont deny the existence of quotas and all that rubbish.. but thats not the issue here. The issue is that people seem to think that a non-white person cannot do just a good a job because they are not white. I spent the early part of my young life (and my parents most of theirs) in a place where we couldnt use the services of white doctors/teachers/professionals.. n i turned out fine, i think :rolleyes:
 
Ok, Turbo and Xterminator.

I am not a Doctor so I cannot say.
Perhaps my opinion has been skewed by the Media?
However there must be some truth in all of this?

I can produce no proof.
Perhaps you guys can show us a few links and/or documentation.

I would be interested to have my opinion altered as I am positive about this country and wish to be part of it and have no plans on leaving. :)
 
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A friend of mine is coming back from Tanzania this week, although she says there are tons of white SAfricans over there and they don't plan on coming back -- mainly because of the crime.

She reckons that even in Tanzania one feels safer than in SA and that crime is almost unheard of.... :(
 
Turbo_Aspiration

Here we go again, first of all I did not say anything about whites or blacks. All I said was that the standards were down. You are turning this into a race issue.

The simple fact that allot of universities are implementing entry examinations are proof that standards in schools are going down. A couple of years ago just having matric exemption were good enough depending off coarse of what you were planning to study. Now for some universities having exemption is not good enough because they know standards aren't what it should be. Just ask some matrics about what they though of their final paper. Most find it easy. When I say standards are down, it not at all universities but at some because some require entry exams now and others don't. So it is common sense that some standards are higher than others. Some universities just pump out graduates when they don't know what they are doing.

I never said blacks can't be good at what they do, I have studied with black people too and most but definitely not all are on par with the rest. When I said standards were down I did not say only for blacks, it's everybody's standards and everybody is affected. Please don't jump to conclusions and think everything is about race.
 
This is from the University of Pretoria

http://www.up.ac.za/academic/medicine/nuwe-kur.htm

The curriculum for medical students at the Faculty of Medicine, University of Pretoria (UP) has been completely transformed. The new curriculum is the first of its kind in South Africa and was introduced in 1997. It compares favourable with what is happening in medical training internationally.

Maintaining a high standard of training is a valuable requirement for the survival of any faculty, including our Faculty. Consequently, if the revision of the curriculum is aimed at improving courses and the learning process, poorer standards are simply out of the question.

The doctor graduating from this Faculty must be better equipped for the profession he or she has chosen, in step with the demands of a rapidly changing world, escalating developments in technology and a rapidly changing community of patients. The Faculty of Medicine at UP had elected and undertaken to produce on the basis of a problem-oriented integrated teaching model a doctor for the year 2000 and the next century who complies with special requirements: competence, skill, relevance and more specifically excellence.
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I am not a doctor either, but I refuse to believe that standards are dropping, just because some people say they are.

I also know that this curriculum has been evaluated by the World Health Organisation who - excuse the pun - gave it a clean bill of health
 
Brenden_E : Rubush. Almost every affluent person can emmigrate if they so choose. And almost everyone I know has yet to do so, despite the ease with which they can do so
 
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Drone 42 said:
Turbo_Aspiration

Here we go again, first of all I did not say anything about whites or blacks. All I said was that the standards were down. You are turning this into a race issue.
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from my post no.31

and before you say no-one mentioned race - this thread is about whites leaving the country
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xtermin8or
That doesn't mean much to me because no university will say that their standards are rubbish on their website now will they. They will always say that it is great, if they want people to study there. I have nothing against the University of Pretoria and their standards, it might be very high. I cant say.

The link below is more relevant in global perspective

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=125&art_id=vn20060903101049611C480648
 
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