10 Super-Nutrients for a Flat Belly

[ClintX]

I suppose we are both approaching the same subject, with the same intended outcome, but from different angles.

You seem to lean towards a diet before exercise approach, while I lean heavily towards the exercise before diet approach. My bias leads me to assume most people go the diet route as it is the "easier" option. No need to get out there and sweat or commit to waking up earlier and spending hours exercising, just change the way you eat, cheat every so often, and tell everyone you are trying

 

[killadoob]

Naaa bru my angle in losing weight is simple, you won't do it by simply exercising. Once the weight is on you need the diet. i am not talking about starving yourself, just eating better than you usual do which basically entails more fresh produce and less processed food. Then you can exercise. you are saying eat what you like but work it off which is wrong.

Obviously i am talking weight loss, if you are not fat you could manage eating poor and exercising but not for weight loss. The trouble is most people will quit exercise if they are not seeing results and working off the junk you ate won't make you lose weight, you will stay the same which will eventually lead to the exercise becoming a chore with no reward. it's already like a chore but when you see it working you get happy, when you see it doing nothing you stop.

Diet 70% exercise 30% without diet you are screwed.

 

[OMB]

I suppose we are both approaching the same subject, with the same intended outcome, but from different angles.

You seem to lean towards a diet before exercise approach, while I lean heavily towards the exercise before diet approach. My bias leads me to assume most people go the diet route as it is the "easier" option. No need to get out there and sweat or commit to waking up earlier and spending hours exercising, just change the way you eat, cheat every so often, and tell everyone you are trying

this is too complex an issue to deal with in just a few posts, here's a quote from Gary Taubes research

The belief in physical activity as a method of weight control is relatively new, however, and it has long been contradicted by the evidence. When Russell
Wilder of the Mayo Clinic lectured on obesity in 1932, he noted that his patients tended to lose more weight with bed rest, “while unusually strenuous
physical exercise slows the rate of loss.” “The patient reasons quite correctly,” Wilder said, “that the more exercise he takes the more fat should be burned
and that loss of weight should be in proportion, and he is discouraged to find that the scales reveal no progress.”

Until the 1960s, clinical investigators routinely pointed out that moderate exercise would lead only to insignificant increases in energy expenditure, and
these could be easily matched by slight and comparatively effortless changes in diet. A 250-pound man will expend three extra calories climbing a flight of
stairs, as Louis Newburgh of the University of Michigan calculated in 1942, and this in turn is the equivalent of depriving himself of one-fourth of a
teaspoon of sugar or a tenth of an ounce of butter. “He will have to climb twenty flights of stairs to rid himself of the energy contained in one slice of bread!”
Newburgh observed.

 

[ClintX]

this is too complex an issue to deal with in just a few posts, here's a quote from Gary Taubes research

With all due respect, and stating up front that I have not read those links earlier, I am very sceptical of anyone who makes a living from weight loss programs advising what is best. It is like someone selling snake oil.

I can find just as much research indicating that exercise will result in weight loss.

Diet 70% exercise 30% without diet you are screwed.

Interesting as when I spend a little time watching something like "biggest loser" there seems to be a lot of emphasis on exercise. Yes, and avoiding junk food but that should be a no brainer for someone who is fat, or anyone for that matter.

And you refer to talking about weight loss, but surely if the person sustained an ongoing active lifestyle they would not have got into that position in the first place.

You can just as easily start looking at psychological issues for weight gain. And here again exercise will help as it is shown to help with depression/anxiety and the like.

 

[ClintX]

Here is a study which shows we may be arguing unnecessarily in trying to pick a "winner" between dieting and exercise :

In contrast, Sopko et al. (1985) in a twelve-week study, with obese men, reported that when the negative energy balance created by diet only and exercise only are equal, the two treatments produce similar results. The participants in the diet only group (n=10) experienced a weight loss of 6.1kg by restricting their caloric intake 500 kcal/day. The exercise only group (n=6) lost 6.2 kg by performing a treadmill walking program in which they expended 500 kcal/day. The men in the diet only group went from a body fat of 31.4% to 25%, where as the exercise only group went from 26.7% to 19%. These results show that equivalent amounts of weight loss can be obtained when the energy expenditure from exercise is similar to the amount of calories restricted through diet. This is contrary to the results of Hagan et. al., as well as the ACSM consensus statement that exercise without caloric restriction minimally affects weight loss. Table 1 summarizes some diet versus exercise weight management studies, further validating when energy expenditure is matched, weight loss is similar.

https://www.unm.edu/~lkravitz/Article folder/exandwtloss.html

 

[killadoob]

Clint the general point of a diet is to lose weight meaning in general the person has become fat. If that wasn't the case they would not be dieting so as mentioned if you want to lose weight you cannot burn off what you eat or you won't lose the fat you got.

So i go eat burger chips and a diet coke, i then go work it off. Bam where have i got? Now instead of that meal if i have a tuna salad an couple fruits i won't need to work anything off and my body will be ready to start using it's stored fat. I hear you what u saying about working off your food but if weight loss is your goal you got to go beyond burning off.

You gotta be eating well in order to get big results exercising, you will slowly lose weight by eating well but you shed weight with good diet and exercise.

 

[killadoob]

Basically dude this is principle of eating well.

There are many reasons to eat a nutritious diet—you want to fend off the nasty bug that’s going around, you want more energy, you want to improve your overall health. But here’s one incentive that will have you running to the produce aisle: a flatter belly.

The flat belly diet

If you’d like a toned tummy (and who wouldn’t?), situps and calorie-counting will only get you so far. What you put into your body is just as important as how much you sweat off at the gym.

It’s no surprise that eating a salad will flatten your belly faster than, say, chili-cheese fries—but it’s not just because of the 1,000 calories you’ll save. Feasting on a healthy diet rich in nutrients like calcium, vitamin C, and beta carotene (to name a few) will help you lose inches around your middle and also stave off a host of other diseases. Start loading up on these power-house nutrients today.

Off my original post

http://fitbie.msn.com/eat-right/tips/10-super-nutrients-flat-belly/tip/1 go read each section because it details what studies were done and so on. If do not believe that eating well is the biggest part of weight loss then i dunno, carry on telling people to eat whatever they like and just burn it off.

As mentioned nutrients help you lose weight alone with vitamins and minerals, well far better than a burger chips and coke.

 

[ClintX]

So i go eat burger chips and a diet coke, i then go work it off. Bam where have i got? Now instead of that meal if i have a tuna salad an couple fruits i won't need to work anything off and my body will be ready to start using it's stored fat. I hear you what u saying about working off your food but if weight loss is your goal you got to go beyond burning off..

You have just stated exactly what I have been saying all along! I can eat what I like as long as I "burn it off".

You eat Big Mac burger at 540 calories and medium fries at 380 calories. I then go mountain biking for two hours which burns off 679 calories per hour for a total of 1358 calories burnt. I am not putting on weight. In fact, all things considered I'll loose weight.

This is where you are not willing to concede. Yes, if I had a tuna salad at about 200 calories I'd be far better off if I were looking to lose weight but if I am pushing the exercise I can afford to cheat a little and still lose.

So perhaps you need to concede, like I have that both are equally important. And by most accounts the inclusion of exercise is extremely important for long term weight loss.

 

[OMB]

With all due respect, and stating up front that I have not read those links earlier, I am very sceptical of anyone who makes a living from weight loss programs advising what is best. It is like someone selling snake oil.

I can find just as much research indicating that exercise will result in weight loss.

Gary Taubes is not in the business of weight loss programs, he is a scientific investigative journalist who has done a significant amount of research into the facts and fallacies behind nutrition and weight loss, I was very sceptical initially as well, but the more I've read of his work the more it makes sense.

I started this year at 89kg's and decide to tackle my weight gain with my usual approach of reducing intake and upping output, went back to gym and got the usual result, shed a few kg's and was back down to 85kg's by end March, and then that was it (and this has happened to me before) I got stuck at 85. I ran more, gymed more but just couldn't get past that 85kg barrier and couldn't decrease the fat roll around my stomach.

For the past 3 weeks now I have started the approach of severely reduced carbs, but as much protein and fat as I like, and I haven't been to gym for a month, I am now getting close to 84kg's (for about the first time in 5 years). So something is working and it's not a balanced input/output approach.

 

[killadoob]

3 weeks and you have only lost less than 1kg that is terrible dude.

Geez, try eating those listed foods only for 3 weeks and report back. I dunno about carbs dude, it drives your body but everyone is different. What fruit and veggies do you eat?

I have lost more than a 1kg in the last week or so, it seems a bit much it has taken you 3 weeks. I am sure though since i started eating all those above foods i am not retaining water whichis why i have lost the weight but water retention is the devil i tell you.

What kind of fat are you eating? Any kind of fat?

Clint i have never disputed that exercise is a good thing, i have said if you want to see results fast eat well. If you want slow unhealthy weight loss eat that burger and chips and go to gym thinking you are going to loss weight. For weight loss you need more than exercise because eating well aids your weight loss, eating crap hinders weight loss. There is no nutrition in shyte food. How many people who eat well do you know that you can say are fat? Ever seen a fat vegan? Nope neither have i.

I won't concede that eating poorly and exercise will result in weight loss.

 

[Necuno]

It seems to lack exercising.

No idea if this has been posted before but here we go.

http://fitbie.msn.com/eat-right/tips/10-super-nutrients-flat-belly/tip/4

Awesome info.

 

[ClintX]

I started this year at 89kg's and decide to tackle my weight gain with my usual approach of reducing intake and upping output, went back to gym and got the usual result, shed a few kg's and was back down to 85kg's by end March, and then that was it (and this has happened to me before) I got stuck at 85. I ran more, gymed more but just couldn't get past that 85kg barrier and couldn't decrease the fat roll around my stomach.

This is one of the biggest problems when people exercise and are trying to lose weight, they focus on the actual weight instead of measurements. You think Arnold weighed 80kgs at the peak of his career? Likewise do you think he was fat? Kilograms are the worst thing to focus on.

 

[killadoob]

If you’d like a toned tummy (and who wouldn’t?), situps and calorie-counting will only get you so far. What you put into your body is just as important as how much you sweat off at the gym.

Prophet there are 11 links there on the side. The article wasn't about gym it was about foods to help flatten your tummy.

 

[Necuno]

This is one of the biggest problems when people exercise and are trying to lose weight, they focus on the actual weight instead of measurements. You think Arnold weighed 80kgs at the peak of his career? Likewise do you think he was fat? Kilograms are the worst thing to focus on.

of course fat is weight

 

[Necuno]

If you’d like a toned tummy (and who wouldn’t?), situps and calorie-counting will only get you so far. What you put into your body is just as important as how much you sweat off at the gym.

Prophet there are 11 links there on the side. The article wasn't about gym it was about foods to help flatten your tummy.

Smart people don't diet they start a sustainable eating plan. Dieting is for tannies and their you/huisgenoot, but yes I guess that could count as a start though I'd prefer the term eating plan and the actual plan that goes with it.

 

[ClintX]

of course fat is weight

http://www.everydayhealth.com/weight/busting-the-muscle-weighs-more-than-fat-myth.aspx

 

[Necuno]

http://www.everydayhealth.com/weight/busting-the-muscle-weighs-more-than-fat-myth.aspx

Take note of the and the end

 

[ClintX]

Take note of the and the end

I noted that but it is rather difficult to fathom who the rolling eyes were being aimed at and for what reason. And there was not confused face.

 

[killadoob]

Smart people don't diet they start a sustainable eating plan. Dieting is for tannies and their you/huisgenoot, but yes I guess that could count as a start though I'd prefer the term eating plan and the actual plan that goes with it.

Dieting is eating better, sustainable eating plan is eating proper foods or have i missed something. it is starving yourself? Eating well shouldn't be a diet it should a way life is that what you are getting at?

 

[Necuno]

Dieting is eating better, sustainable eating plan is eating proper foods or have i missed something. it is starving yourself? Eating well shouldn't be a diet it should a way life is that what you are getting at?

Those + exercise of course, eating too little is harmful as well.