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http://shop.esquire.co.za/ProductDescription.aspx?id=4483991

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Seagate SkyHawk 10TB 256MB Cache 3.5 inch Internal Surveillance Hard Disk Drive - SATA III 6 Gb/s Interface , 7200rpm Spindle Speed , Up to 210 MB/s Data Transfer Rate , , 3 year warranty

Product Overview
The Seagate [ ST10000VX0004 ] SkyHawk 10TB 256MB Cache 3.5 inch Internal Surveillance Hard Disk Drive is Smart, safe and secure that is optimised for DVRs and NVRs, SkyHawk surveillance drives are tuned for 24x7 video recording. Seagate SkyHawk surveillance drives are built to keep systems in the field longer and reduce the need for post-deployment support. They feature 3x the workload rating of desktop drives and can store up to 10,000 hours of digital HD video storage and supports an increased number of cameras and helps to ensure longer data retention periods are met.
Give yourself the ultimate peace of mind with SkyHawk surveillance drives and never miss a frame, even in harsh environments. SkyHawk’s extreme workload rating, low power consumption and RV sensors can improve long-term drive reliability. SkyHawk can also reliably perform in operating temperatures — from 0°C to 70°C — while tarnish-resistant components offer further protection out in the field. It is outfitted with a SATA III interface and mounted in an available 3.5" drive bay. Other notable features include a 7200 rpm spin rate and 256MB of cache to deliver a maximum sustained data transfer rate of 210 MB/s.

Best-Fit Applications
• Network video recorders (NVR)
• Embedded surveillance DVRs (SDVR)
• Hybrid surveillance DVRs
• Surveillance DVRs
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Two questions I am thinking of buying this to replace my gazillion 1TB and 2TB drives my question is... Is this a smart move how reliable are these things since my business brain is telling me just like the lightbulb, harddrives cannot be made to last otherwise the company will be out of business since why would you one sell one drive per customer's lifestime when you can sell 20.

Second question, in my search for hardrives I see they all have this "Best-Fit Applications" business and my question is how serious is that really what is fundamentally different between these disk? I use my current harddrives for such a wide variety of stuff it would be near impossible to get a different drive for each use application/case/scenario.
 
I recently replaced all my smaller harddrives, 500GB - 3TB with a proper NAS system - it must have been over 20 drives.... of those, I think about only 6 were still 100%, all the others had issues getting the data off, so I lost a good percentage of my stuff.

There is no replacement for a decent backup system.
 
Thor187 said:
http://shop.esquire.co.za/ProductDescription.aspx?id=4483991

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Two questions I am thinking of buying this to replace my gazillion 1TB and 2TB drives my question is... Is this a smart move how reliable are these things since my business brain is telling me just like the lightbulb, harddrives cannot be made to last otherwise the company will be out of business since why would you one sell one drive per customer's lifestime when you can sell 20.

Second question, in my search for hardrives I see they all have this "Best-Fit Applications" business and my question is how serious is that really what is fundamentally different between these disk? I use my current harddrives for such a wide variety of stuff it would be near impossible to get a different drive for each use application/case/scenario.
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Firstly, never put all your **** on one drive.

Secondly the different types generally have different warranties and conditions related to them because they are manufactured to different tolerances.

Rather buy 2 x 5TB (if those even exist or near closest) or even better 3 or 4 3TB's and put them in an old PC or Microserver and get yourself an UnRAID license.

It's the best of both worlds as it offers redundancy but also only spins up one drive at a time as required instead of all of them.

Or better yet buy this new 10TB drive and use it for your main parity drive on UnRAID and then keep using your old drives along side it. Then when the time comes you can pop into another 10TB and upgrade the entire array.
 
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SauRoNZA said:
Firstly, never put all your **** on one drive.

Secondly the different types generally have different warranties and conditions related to them because they are manufactured to different tolerances.
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This. Having two of those 10TB HDD's in a RAID 1 array will be a good idea. RAID 5 or RAID 10 would be even better. Just never do stuff like this without any redundancy. Redundancy and backups are important when dealing with these capacities.
 
If I think of what happened to me this weekend I would probably strangle the CEO of Seagate if this drive was to crash.

I have a 500GB drive onto which, from the start of last month up until yesterday, I have downloaded 260GB's worth of linux distros. I woke up yesterday morning and noticed the PC (sort of a backup PC)'s off. So I turn it on, only to be greeted with the "Please insert bootable media" with the ominous spin up drive, click, spin up drive, click, etc. It pissed me off to no end because I was planning on watching linux distros for the entire day yesterday.
 
xrapidx said:
I recently replaced all my smaller harddrives, 500GB - 3TB with a proper NAS system - it must have been over 20 drives.... of those, I think about only 6 were still 100%, all the others had issues getting the data off, so I lost a good percentage of my stuff.

There is no replacement for a decent backup system.
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I'm trying to get my head around a NAS... I recently lost all my machines due to lightning and I'm building up a new machine, I like the idea of a NAS running raid however, lets say I get hit by lightning again and the NAS goes, there's no simple pop out and reinstall drives and access data.. like I'm doing now.
So basically one backs up the data in case of HDD failure, yet if one has hardware failure you're still have a problem..

Am I right..?

I currently stream to raspberry pi's with kodi from a desktop with 5 X HDD.
 
Basil959 said:
I'm trying to get my head around a NAS... I recently lost all my machines due to lightning and I'm building up a new machine, I like the idea of a NAS running raid however, lets say I get hit by lightning again and the NAS goes, there's no simple pop out and reinstall drives and access data.. like I'm doing now.
So basically one backs up the data in case of HDD failure, yet if one has hardware failure you're still have a problem..

Am I right..?

I currently stream to raspberry pi's with kodi from a desktop with 5 X HDD.
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Thus UnRAID as you can pop out the drives and access the data directly.

It's a much better home solution as it also uses less power.
 
Thor187 said:
Getting expensive real fcking quick. Shait!

So looking at 14K about for the 2 drives + $59 for unRaid

I was tempted to just buy this:

http://www.wootware.co.za/western-digital-my-cloud-mirror-12tb-2-x-6tb-2-bay-nas-server.html but meh I do not know if I trust these things.

My other thought was this:

http://www.wootware.co.za/synology-...bay-256gb-ddr3-ram-800mhz-cpu-nas-server.html and then buy 2 seagate 6TB drives. one will be for the raid configuration.
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Like I said buy the one drive and UnRAID to start with then use all the old drives with it.

You can then easily upgrade it going forward as you parity drive is already the largest.
 
Rather get a 4 or 8 bay NAS. I have a 2 bay NAS. Still wash I rather got a 4 bay.
 
Thor187 said:
Getting expensive real fcking quick. Shait!

So looking at 14K about for the 2 drives + $59 for unRaid

I was tempted to just buy this:

http://www.wootware.co.za/western-digital-my-cloud-mirror-12tb-2-x-6tb-2-bay-nas-server.html but meh I do not know if I trust these things.

My other thought was this:

http://www.wootware.co.za/synology-...bay-256gb-ddr3-ram-800mhz-cpu-nas-server.html and then buy 2 seagate 6TB drives. one will be for the raid configuration.
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It doesn't work like that.

You need BOTH for the RAID configuration. Where else do you think the data goes?
 
SauRoNZA said:
It doesn't work like that.

You need BOTH for the RAID configuration. Where else do you think the data goes?
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no you read that wrong I mean I will get 2 6TB hardrrives but it wont be 12TB it will be 6tb since one drive will be used for the raid?
 
Basil959 said:
I'm trying to get my head around a NAS... I recently lost all my machines due to lightning and I'm building up a new machine, I like the idea of a NAS running raid however, lets say I get hit by lightning again and the NAS goes, there's no simple pop out and reinstall drives and access data.. like I'm doing now.
So basically one backs up the data in case of HDD failure, yet if one has hardware failure you're still have a problem..

Am I right..?

I currently stream to raspberry pi's with kodi from a desktop with 5 X HDD.
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I'm running RAID6 on 8 drives, so I can have two harddrives fail and I'll be fine - if the actual NAS device fails I'm in trouble. If I had to do it again, I'd probably go with custom solution on a PC.

My most important stuff is still "backed-up" in the cloud.
 
xrapidx said:
I'm running RAID6 on 8 drives, so I can have two harddrives fail and I'll be fine - if the actual NAS device fails I'm in trouble. If I had to do it again, I'd probably go with custom solution on a PC.

My most important stuff is still "backed-up" in the cloud.
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It's important to understand that RAID isn't a backup solution. And the odds of successfully rebuilding say, a RAID5 array, on a set of very large hard drives, isn't great either. RAID often gives a false sense of security, from what I see.
 
Messugga said:
It's important to understand that RAID isn't a backup solution. And the odds of successfully rebuilding say, a RAID5 array, on a set of very large hard drives, isn't great either. RAID often gives a false sense of security, from what I see.
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RAID is for Redundancy. Nice to have. Backups is there to give a sense of security.
 
Messugga said:
It's important to understand that RAID isn't a backup solution. And the odds of successfully rebuilding say, a RAID5 array, on a set of very large hard drives, isn't great either. RAID often gives a false sense of security, from what I see.
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Yip - its why my important stuff goes online :p
 
Messugga said:
Yip, you know this. Other people don't though ;)
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I cant put 5TB of videos and images in the cloud. Not in south africa at least.

Cloud is currently a nice to have imo, but far from a backup solution unless you are storing text files on dropbox.
 
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