If the law says that you are only allowed to do a certain speed, and you go over that speed it is illegal. The act is not law abiding. You are therefore seen as a criminal...simple as that. I hope that they get jailed, and their bikes taken away from them...in fact, I hope that they loose their driving licence as well...that ought to teach them a lesson.
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171 Bikers caught speeding
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Facts:
- Bikers get killed by cars vastly more often than they cause injury to car drivers.
- Bikers are more likely to be involved in single-vehicle accidents.
- Bikers get far more damaged in accidents.
Opinion:
- Bikers have better control at high speed than cars.
- Sportsbikes are better designed for high speed than most cars.
- Most single-vehicle bike accidents are caused by stupidity or alcohol rather than excessive speed.
My view is that speeding is okay when done responsibly. Yes, I did just imply responsibility in a sentence about breaking the law. Laws, however, are designed to prevent harm to others. If you can speed without putting others in danger then by all means. This doesn't mean "oh, I'm far too good to crash at 180, even between cars" - it means "there's no-one on the road for miles that I can see".
Every biker has scars. This is because every biker gets cocky at some point. Overestimates their abilities, or believes they're invincible. Happens to a lot of car drivers as well, and they go on to cause untold damage to themselves, passengers, pedestrians, property, other cars and bikers. At least the damage bikes cause is mostly self-contained.
- Bikers get killed by cars vastly more often than they cause injury to car drivers.
- Bikers are more likely to be involved in single-vehicle accidents.
- Bikers get far more damaged in accidents.
Opinion:
- Bikers have better control at high speed than cars.
- Sportsbikes are better designed for high speed than most cars.
- Most single-vehicle bike accidents are caused by stupidity or alcohol rather than excessive speed.
My view is that speeding is okay when done responsibly. Yes, I did just imply responsibility in a sentence about breaking the law. Laws, however, are designed to prevent harm to others. If you can speed without putting others in danger then by all means. This doesn't mean "oh, I'm far too good to crash at 180, even between cars" - it means "there's no-one on the road for miles that I can see".
Every biker has scars. This is because every biker gets cocky at some point. Overestimates their abilities, or believes they're invincible. Happens to a lot of car drivers as well, and they go on to cause untold damage to themselves, passengers, pedestrians, property, other cars and bikers. At least the damage bikes cause is mostly self-contained.
Odd. There's very few countries on Earth where you're allowed to travel faster than in SA. In the United States many highways (express ways) have a maximum speed limit of around 70 Miles per hour, and even Interstate highways are maxed at 75 MPH. In Europe there are a few exceptions, such as the Autobahn, but generally European countries are also around 100Km/h - 120Km/h. Even Australia has now imposed maximum speed limits of 130 on their big highways.
I am yet to meet and have a conversation with a thinking car. You are indeed privileged.
Vehicles should not speed. Period.
Compared to international standards, 100KM/h is ample. And having seen the carnage that happens on that "highway" firsthand, 100KM/h is simply too much for most of the day.
So that's how they should work out the speed limit - figure out what's the median between zero and max on the Speedo and hey presto, you have a new speed limit.
Your bike's not comfortable at speeds below 140Km/h? Pffffft. Your poor baby. I'm sure that one flies well with the traffic officers: "Uh yeah, officer, my bike was not happy. I had to speed to make her more comfortable!"
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Moederloos
Honorary Master
lol @ bobbymac - so nicely put.
It amazes me how people bemoan SA for having so much crime, and then defend their stupid behaviour on the roads.
It amazes me how people bemoan SA for having so much crime, and then defend their stupid behaviour on the roads.
Juggy
Executive Member
So all the people here talking about speed have never been over the speed limit.... EVER?
Bollocks, hypocrites.....
Bollocks, hypocrites.....
Exactly. It always amazes me that in a country with one of the worst road fatality rates in the world, people have the audacity to try and supply lengthy supportive arguments of their stupid actions.
Moederloos
Honorary Master
I don't speed.
I do stop at Stop streets.
I do indicate.
I don't drink and drive.
If I do speed, it is an honest mistake - and I will pay the fine (I did get a fine in Dec 1998, 91 in a 80 zone, on William Nichol. I paid it, and I don't try and justify myself for speeding).
Overstepping the speed limit by one or two miles is one thing, taking off your plates and bragging about 250KM/h speeds is entirely another.
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Fudzy
Guest
There is NO justification for ludicrous speeds on roads. The problem is people who have an inclination for adrenaline rushes and speed don't always have the funds for a supercar so a superbike at a tenth of the cost really looks appealing. Unfortunately, the pay off is self preservation if things go pear shaped.
Juggy
Executive Member
I reckon just about everyone has done 160 in a 120 zone. I certainly have, N1 to Jozi is a prime example.
And there is a huge difference in the feeling of driving at high speeds in a supercar or superbike believe me they are no where near the same.
And there is a huge difference in the feeling of driving at high speeds in a supercar or superbike believe me they are no where near the same.
So just because you did it, everyone does? I love sushi.
Yeah - both of which can be enjoyed legally at one of the various racetracks in the country. It certainly has no place on any public road. Such selfishness should not be tolerated.
Juggy
Executive Member
Moederloos
Honorary Master
And when someone disagrees with you, out come the insults.
Nice to know we have such mature people speeding on our roads.
Juggy
Executive Member
Is being called dad an insult to you. Shame...
You really like poking your nose in other peoples conversations.
We were having a conversation? I thought I was making a point and you were retorting as an irresponsible teenager would. My bad. Son.
Moederloos
Honorary Master
You know perfectly well what your tone implied.
And - its not "your conversation", its a public one.
Nanfeishen
Executive Member
A few bikers contravening a few traffic regulations cannot be compared to Murder, Rape and Armed Robbery.
As an ex biker (cannot afford the prices any longer), who rode without a licence for 15 years, occasionaly over the limit and often without a helmet, I do not consider, nor will i ever consider my actions to be criminal.
What i did was contravene a few traffic regulations, nothing more, nothing less, and when caught, i payed the fine, simple.
Rebelious?,Yes! Anti Establishment?, Definitly! Criminal? No!
Criminal law and traffic regulations are vastly different from each other.
Stupid actions would be trying to justify driving under the influence, or driving recklessly, occasional speeding is neither stupid nor reckless, it is often required or necesarry to avoid other idiots on the road.
AFAIK, most of the fatalities on the road are from:
Alchohol
Exhaustion on long hauls (falling asleep)
Un- roadworthy vehicles (blow outs and loss of control are common)
Overloaded vehicles trying to travel at 120, who should be travelling slower.
Cars speeding who's occupants are unable to handle their vehicles properly.
More Bikers suffer from other vehicle drivers than from their own actions.
Skeptik
Banned
I used to respect bikers - giving them space etc - but lately they seem never to have plates, enjoy making a lot of noise whilst travelling everywhere at high speed weaving like lunatics through the traffic!
Just note that I only have to move in my lane a few centimetres to the right and splash one biker.
Just note that I only have to move in my lane a few centimetres to the right and splash one biker.
You might argue the severity of riding over the limit or without a licence compared to theft or whatever, but the fact of the matter is that it's a criminal act; there is no dispute over that, rationalise it however you will.
So what? Motorcyclists are entitled to risk their own safety.
When motorcyclists are repsonsible for killing a similar percentage of people, then motorists can whine about them endangering other people.