2007/2008 WI tour to SA thread

Abe said:
I find myself in the strange position where I am supporting WI. Something drastic has to happen to get rid of those two.
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yeah I got to agree, although I still think Smithie is worthwhile addition to the team but he should never have been made captain so early on in his career but it's too late now to demote him and I wouldn't drop him, Arthur must go though...
 
West Indies 243
South Africa 44/0 (15.2 ov)
South Africa trail by 199 runs with 10 wickets remaining in the 1st innings

Day 2 - Session 1 South Africa RR 2.90
Last 10 ovs 30/0 RR 3.00

Min overs remaining 69.5

this is our chance to make 400+ and possibly only bat once.
 
sandmanm34 said:
yeah I got to agree, although I still think Smithie is worthwhile addition to the team but he should never have been made captain so early on in his career but it's too late now to demote him and I wouldn't drop him, Arthur must go though...
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Maybe getting rid of Arthur may help but Smithy is a dictator in the side, always pushing to get rid of those that may compete with him. Perhaps a new coach can sort out this God complex but I doubt it.
 
Abe said:
Maybe getting rid of Arthur may help but Smithy is a dictator in the side, always pushing to get rid of those that may compete with him. Perhaps a new coach can sort out this God complex but I doubt it.
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Well a better start today but the experiment was only partially successful. Heard the guys talking about batting averages in 2007, Kallis 86, Amla 44, Prince 40, Boucher 30, Gibbs 26, Smith 26. Hell why on earth did Smith opt for Arthur over Ray? It could cost him his career. Ray would have coached the flaws out of Graeme's technique surely?
 
sandmanm34 said:
Hell why on earth did Smith opt for Arthur over Ray?
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cos Ray nailed them when it was necessary. mickey mouse sits with a stupid smirk on his face. Ray sorted them out and that's why Smith wanted him out, cos he doesn't like to be told. just another ego story.
 
mercurial said:
cos Ray nailed them when it was necessary. mickey mouse sits with a stupid smirk on his face. Ray sorted them out and that's why Smith wanted him out, cos he doesn't like to be told. just another ego story.
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Yep, thats what happens when you keep kissing a youngsters ar.e. Eventually they start to believe the bull and don't want to listen to anyone. How many times do you see Smith talking to the press when micky mouse should be talking. Smith should have done his time as a rookie/understudy.

The crazy thing is that we in SA fire coaches for winning big tourny's and keep them on when they lose them. How many big tourny's have the Arthur/Smith combination won?
 
i think this next/current partnership will determine how much SA makes. ATM, i'm leaning towards the same amount as the Windies total more or less.
 
At 100 odd for 2, i was hoping we could at the very least make 350. Thought 450 should be what we ideally target. No doubt now we will be all out still something like 50 in arrears. You know that's what is going to happen.
 
mccrack said:
Meh ....

There goes the 400+ hopes unless AB and Ash come good.
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Problem with Ash is that he only seems to put a big one together of late when we don't need it. I would have felt a bit happier with Polly down the order but right now all WI needs are 2 wickets and they are into our very long tail. I can't see those two wickets putting together more then 60/70 runs. As milomak said, looks like a 50 runs in arrears right now.
 
Abe said:
The crazy thing is that we in SA fire coaches for winning big tourny's and keep them on when they lose them.
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Aint that the truth, Mallet, White, Jennings etc etc Gees what the f*&( is wrong with our sports administrators?
 
milomak said:
At 100 odd for 2, i was hoping we could at the very least make 350. Thought 450 should be what we ideally target. No doubt now we will be all out still something like 50 in arrears. You know that's what is going to happen.
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Once again, I have this feeling of mounting dis pear.
 
milomak said:
eh what big tournament did Jennings win?
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While he did not win any tournaments as coach (he did not compete in any) he really turned the SA side around. When he started with the side, they were in disarray. We seem to fire winning coaches as he was fired after beating WI.

http://www.weekendpost.co.za/main/2005/05/28/sport/sk01_28052005.htm

"The latest coach to bite the dust, Ray Jennings, can count himself a little unlucky. He took over the team when they were in disarray. Initially under his reign the side lost to India away and then to England during the Test series at home.

After that things picked up though. South Africa beat England in a one-day series, then demolished Zimbabwe and then toured the West Indies emphatically winning both the Test and the one-day series."
 
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