2010 world cup doubt

[Stickfigure]

I was waiting for this http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/soccer/11/21/bc.soc.wcup.2010.costs.ap/index.html

 

[Oldseen]

I think we should be fine though!!!!

 

[arf9999]

How does the thread title relate to the article? Where is the "doubt"?

2010 Cup organizers concerned about meltdown
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JOHANNESBURG, South Africa (AP) -- South African organizers of the 2010 World Cup expressed concern Friday about the effect the global financial crisis will have on the tournament, which is already running well over budget.

 

[Genius.]

I see there are still doubters. SA will host the World Cup and thats that.

 

[headsore]

Question is how successful will it be...Do you feel Durban and Joburg have the infrastructure. CT will cope - transport system is not the worst and the stadium is a walk from most hotels. Though how Jhb will transport 95 000 I don't know. 95 000 of which over half might well not have cars.

 

[capetownguy]

again to place things into context, about our excessive spending in the current global climate. we are paying what it costs to build quality stadia, and still even less than other stadia around the world.
Incl. inflation at 9%, even though steel and building material inflation has been higher
Emirates R9 billion
Wembley Stadium R15 billion, 5 years of construction
London 2012 temporary stadium R8 billion
Allianz Arena R5.8 billion
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Green Point R4.5 billion
Moses Mabhida R3 billion +
Peter Mokaba R1.3 billion
Nelson Mandela Bay R2 billion
Mbombela stadium R 1.2 billion
Soccer City R2.6 billion for a 95,000 seater!

All these stadia meet every single FIFA requirement from seats to lighting to FIFA Mascot rooms.



1. total cost 10 stadia stil remains less than the cost of wembley stadium alone.
2. No we aren't running out of money, stadia form just 3% of gvt spending over the next 4/5years. Stadia have also not been financed with debt.
3. if you think we're affected by the meltdown, see London 2012.
4. We are lucky that our stadia will be complete in 2009, some in 2008. Starting to build a stadium post 2010 would be tough. Even tougher abroad where they struggle to find the finance. see London 2012 Olympic Village
5. Thank the lord for the credit act.

 

[capetownguy]

Question is how successful will it be...Do you feel Durban and Joburg have the infrastructure. CT will cope - transport system is not the worst and the stadium is a walk from most hotels. Though how Jhb will transport 95 000 I don't know. 95 000 of which over half might well not have cars.

I think JHB is more prepared than CT, and well ahead in terms of its BRT system.

First phase of Jhb BRT system ready May 2009, the second part of that phase complete May 2010. Rail station adjacent to the stadium. Four BRT stations around Ellis Park. Rail station adjacent to Ellis Park.Gautrain from Sandton to Airport....

Jhb Public Transport

Johannesburg FIFA Transport Operational Plan

 

[medicnick83]

Well be fine

That goes for Cape Town too!

 

[headsore]

was wondering if you would respond to that Capped internationally at the moment. Missing good ol' SSC Plus can't view top link. Downloaded 2nd one.

So the answer lies in BRT. Though surely taking into account CT's rail system being usable for most South African's, the approved BRT system in the city as well as the proximity of Green Point to the CBD and hotels, would all put CT in the better position. Maybe that is just my ignorant view on things. though as for durban? You confident for them the create adequate public transport...
Memory's of rugby matches at the near by ABSA stadium use to be a nightmare as far as parking was concerned and seemed as everyone came by car.

 

[headsore]

Well be fine

That goes for Cape Town too!

Fully agree. Don't get me wrong. I just want to know how fine. Realistically not expected a repeat of Germany. But sure 2010 will be a great success.

 

[capetownguy]

CT is def in a better position, but Jhb must be applauded for their work. Their first BRT station was ready this week, with CT's full system only ready March 2010.

 

[headsore]

Joburg tends to do things very right and very efficiently. Just a day in the city and you end up amazed at the amount of construction.

 

[LancelotSA]

was wondering if you would respond to that Capped internationally at the moment. Missing good ol' SSC Plus can't view top link. Downloaded 2nd one.

So the answer lies in BRT. Though surely taking into account CT's rail system being usable for most South African's, the approved BRT system in the city as well as the proximity of Green Point to the CBD and hotels, would all put CT in the better position. Maybe that is just my ignorant view on things. though as for durban? You confident for them the create adequate public transport...
Memory's of rugby matches at the near by ABSA stadium use to be a nightmare as far as parking was concerned and seemed as everyone came by car.

You are seriously smoking something!! I thought I'd let it ride with the first comment but after this one I am forced to respond!

Firstly, you said earlier that in CT the "stadium is a walk from most hotels". Now perhaps I was pissed all the time when last in CT but as far as I am aware the hotels are spread all over CT and not all around Greenpoint? But let's ignore this as I may be mistaken so let's rather focus on Durban. The majority of Durban's hotels are situated in the few kilometres of the Golden Mile. Now from North Beach, pretty much the centre of the beachfront to Moses Mabhida is 2.5km according to Google maps! Hardly an excessive distance and easily manageable by foot!

Then secondly, what makes the CT transport infrastructure so superior to Durban? The existing station is less than 2km from the stadium but if this is too far then there is a station being built DIRECTLY outside the stadium. Bearing in mind the stadium is situated right next to the railway line.

And then finally, what the hell are you on about with their being no parking at the existing stadium?!?! I have been there a ton of times and their is always plenty parking!! All the outer fields, the archery club, the stables, the swimming pool, the golf course and these are all on the one side of the stadium! Of course this also does not take into account the parking being built at the new stadium!!

Please could you clarify your thinking? Or are you just a CT fanboy who thinks no other province can possibly organise anything?

 

[LancelotSA]

Well here is some more detail on Durban's transport plans

http://www.durban.gov.za/durban/discover-durban/2010/preparations/transport

Transportation is a fundamental necessity in the success and development of a city. It is also vital for the successful hosting of a mega event such as the 2010 FIFA World Cup™. In line with this, Durban is upgrading its facilities and improving accessibility and mobility in and around the city centre. The goal is to create a more internationally friendly travel destination as well as a more livable city for residents.

Public Transport Lanes

* Designated public transport lanes are being created on the southern part of the Nkosi Albert Luthuli Freeway (M4) as well as on the N3 motorway to free up traffic and speed up general mobility. It is the City of Durban’s philosophy to promote public transport over private and as such dedicated public lanes are being implemented where appropriate.
* Creating a public transport lane involves removing the central median island, which will be replaced with a concrete central median island. This will provide sufficient space to create an additional lane that will be used for public transport. On the M4 this lane will extend from the Congella Pedestrian Bridge to the Quality Street Bridge. Construction is estimated to take 15 months and will begin in the third quarter of 2008.


The Inner City Distribution System

* This new inner city distribution system is already in its trial phase of operation, moving Durban towards a new, safe public transport system that works. The first phase involved the launch of the People Mover buses. These are attractive buses with large windows which travel along two designated routes within the city. Departing every 15 minutes between 06:00 and 23:00, the wheelchair-friendly ‘People Mover’ already offers a reliable, regular service to 30 000 people per month. It is also safe – the bus driver has a panic button linked to a security centre.
* The first phase service is expected to be expanded to incorporate the existing inner city taxi operations as a sustainable model. Negotiations are currently in progress to define the nature of this service and the business model. It is anticipated that this service will be operational by December 2009.
* In time, the existing ‘People Mover’ service will be expanded into a broader public transport inner city system, with large sections of travel in dedicated busway lanes. The service will cover the city from the beachfront through to Warwick Junction and from Margaret Mngadi Road through to the Moses Mabhida Stadium.
* Second phases will extend into the Berea, Riverside and Umbilo, with high capacity links into the Umlazi, Chatsworth, KwaMashu, Inanda, Clermont and Pinetown areas.


Warwick Junction Infrastructure

* This major transport hub is being revamped, reorganized and reconfigured, to become a multi-modal transport precinct with better safety and efficiency, plus improved access. The restructuring of the area will also encourage sustainability of the existing economic activity.
* The first projects to be implemented are as follows:
* Traffic flows will be rationalized and private cars will be rerouted over the flyover, so that mainly buses or taxis will be allowed through Warwick Junction. The inbound flyover, which will relieve traffic loading on intersections, will be completed by December 2009
* Public transport ranks and pedestrian facilities will be enhanced, with the removal of vehicular / pedestrian conflicts
* New retail areas are being incorporated, accommodating the area’s more than 12 000 traders as well as the retail requirements of Warwick Junction visitors


Park and Ride

* Park and Ride facilities are part of a medium-term strategy that will dovetail into the needs of the 2010 transport requirements. These facilities, which will minimize congestion and exhaust emission pollution, includes the following elements:
* A link to the rail services through to the city and stadium: Park and Rides will be established at key stations on the lines where people can park and board trains to 2010 FIFA World Cup™ events
* A link to shuttle services: Various remote-parking pools that already exist will be used, enabling spectators to travel to the stadium and fan park areas
* A ‘Park and Walk’ rather than a Park and Ride: This system will use existing inner city parking pools from which spectators can either walk safely or travel on the ‘People Mover’


King Shaka Aiport

* Situated to the north of the city in La Mercy, this new airport will form a definitive and necessary link between Durban and the rest fo the country/world,a llowing for both national and international access.


Centralised public transport information call centre

* Situated in the city centre, the call centre will service commuters and tourists, providing them with travel option information. The first phase of the call centre system will be operational in the first quarter of 2009, whilst the full call centre system will be operational in the third quarter.


Road Network CCTV Monitoring and Surveillance

* This system will be used to monitor security and traffic incidents in the city so that appropriate action can be taken.


Road Traffic System

* A solar-powered LED traffic light programme, currently being developed, is expected to save Durban approximately 13,6 million kilowatt-hours per annum, a reduction of 90% of current traffic light electricity usage. It will also ensure that, should there be power interruptions, traffic flow will continue smoothly. Negotiations are currently underway to establish a private/public arrangement to target pointsmen at key intersections, ensuring that there are increased resources to deal with signalized intersections should the need arise.


Non Motorized Transport

* However, motorized transport is not the only way to travel: The city is also developing pedestrian and cycle paths in the city.

 

[LancelotSA]

OK, I'm done defending my town... off to watch the rugby!

 

[capetownguy]

You are seriously smoking something!! I thought I'd let it ride with the first comment but after this one I am forced to respond!

Firstly, you said earlier that in CT the "stadium is a walk from most hotels". Now perhaps I was pissed all the time when last in CT but as far as I am aware the hotels are spread all over CT and not all around Greenpoint? But let's ignore this as I may be mistaken so let's rather focus on Durban. The majority of Durban's hotels are situated in the few kilometres of the Golden Mile. Now from North Beach, pretty much the centre of the beachfront to Moses Mabhida is 2.5km according to Google maps! Hardly an excessive distance and easily manageable by foot!

Then secondly, what makes the CT transport infrastructure so superior to Durban? The existing station is less than 2km from the stadium but if this is too far then there is a station being built DIRECTLY outside the stadium. Bearing in mind the stadium is situated right next to the railway line.

And then finally, what the hell are you on about with their being no parking at the existing stadium?!?! I have been there a ton of times and their is always plenty parking!! All the outer fields, the archery club, the stables, the swimming pool, the golf course and these are all on the one side of the stadium! Of course this also does not take into account the parking being built at the new stadium!!

Please could you clarify your thinking? Or are you just a CT fanboy who thinks no other province can possibly organise anything?

16000 beds, prob closer to 20000, if not more within walking distance of Green Point stadium. The fan mile linking the Central station to the stadium is the ideal distance for crowd control after visits to Germany during and after the world cup. Total beds excludes the use of cruise ships. A quick walk from the V&A waterfront along the new Granger Bay boulevard

During Germany 2006, some stations close to stadia were closed to prevent congestion

....and unlike Cape Town, from personal experience, being close to the Durban CBD isnt exactly a pleasant advantage. Improving, and certainly not Hillbrow, but still years behind the Cape Town CBD.

That said, Durban, CT and Jhb have presented very good plans unique to the situation of each city.

 

[capetownguy]

 

[LancelotSA]

16000 beds, prob closer to 20000, if not more within walking distance of Green Point stadium. The fan mile linking the Central station to the stadium is the ideal distance for crowd control after ......

Wonderful you have told me all about CT but that does not negate what I said about Durban....

I know your name is CT guy but I was always under the impression you were clued up on developments at all stadia? Is this not the case?

 

[headsore]

Firstly, you said earlier that in CT the "stadium is a walk from most hotels". Now perhaps I was pissed all the time when last in CT but as far as I am aware the hotels are spread all over CT and not all around Greenpoint?

As capetownguy had already pointed out, most CT hotels are near the stadium. Even a 5km is quite acceptable, specially if it means no need for a car or train. Imagine the atmosphere of thousands of people making a huge noise..waving flags...chanting...all walking toward green point.

Then secondly, what makes the CT transport infrastructure so superior to Durban?

Mainly refering to trains. I lived in Durban a few years back, and they were not at all good. In CT lots of students and business men from all backgrounds use the infrastructure.

And then finally, what the hell are you on about with their being no parking at the existing stadium?!?!

There is parking. But from what I remember : thousands on the fields having braai's. Thousands also forced to park in the street islands. Was all a bit messy.

Please could you clarify your thinking? Or are you just a CT fanboy who thinks no other province can possibly organise anything?

no

 

[bwana]

I drove around PE's new stadium yesterday and was seriously left wondering when/if/what they we're planning on doing (something) about transportation there. There's less than nothing in place now from the look of things.