Vox Populi Vox Dei
High Tory
Exactly. FPTP benefits the Conservatives and Labour due to historical reasons...
It was useful when it was set up ages ago, but in an era of multi-party politics, it is hopeless.
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2015 UK Election Thread
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Exactly. FPTP benefits the Conservatives and Labour due to historical reasons...
It was useful when it was set up ages ago, but in an era of multi-party politics, it is hopeless.
Vox Populi Vox Dei
High Tory
Labour got creamed!
I'm so happy!
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All their supporters are having a mental breakdown on Twitter...hahaha.
Hamish McPanji
Honorary Master
,,...m...........m.
Patrick_Hockstetter
Banned
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All their supporters are having a mental breakdown on Twitter...hahaha.
^^^^^^ How could the conservatives lose?
Don't forget that Labour and Conservative go out to scare people against changing. Maybe they will eventually learn their lesson and vote in a system that is representative. The old system only worked when Labour and Conservative received a genuine mandate from the voters.
Actually there's been bitching about it for a long time. It's ludicrous that a party which gets less than 40% of the vote controls more than 50% of the seats. Close to two thirds of people voted against the Conservatives. 70% don't want Labour. Yet between them these two parties have close to all the seats in the parliament.
So did the Conservatives in reality. They only have their seats and control because of a system skewed in favour of the two bigger parties. Over 60% of people voted against them. That means the majority of the voters don't think they're qualified to run the country.Labour got creamed!
Of course not. Both they and the Conservatives would lose a big chunk of their seats, and neither is likely to ever control the country again.
As Nicola Sturgeon said, they'd have been hypocrites to drop it now when it would have affected them adversely.
Labour got creamed!
I'm so happy!
Me too. Serves them right for abandoning their core electorate to let the snake oil salesman Blair have his turn in the sun.
Hamish McPanji
Honorary Master
Keith Vaz (labour) got reelected in Leicester East. Nice, approachable guy who listens to his sheep. My father in law will be ecstatic
Mortymoose
Honorary Master
I quote the papers a few hours ago.....
"NICOLA Sturgeon must “show her hand” on SNP plans to stage a second independence referendum after the Nationalist landslide victory in the election, the Scottish Tory leader has said.
Hamish McPanji
Honorary Master
There has always been bitching with fptp. As much as I dislike the UKIP, they did get a rather high % of the vote so they would be the biggest beneficiaries this election.
What people don't realize is that it totally changes the dynamics of the voting thought process. If your vote in your constituency will actually count towards your party of choice having a say in how the country is run.
For example the greens won 3.8% of the vote. They won 1 seat. Under PC They would have 24 seats. And the fact that the vote matters allows you to vote for who you think is best rather than the better of 2 evils as is what is happening now.
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Yes, she must show her hand now, because right now they'd badly lose a referendum. The Scots know they'd be *****ed if they tried to leave the union now. I'm of first generation Scottish descent and as idealistic as it is, it's pure lunacy, and everyone knows this.
You're 100% correct, it would change the dynamics of the voting thought process. Perhaps all the Tory voters who stayed at home due to being in a 'safe seat' would have gone out to vote? It works both ways...
Hamish McPanji
Honorary Master
That too....and thats a good thing. Marginalizing voters by essentially making them redundant allows the political classes to become elitist.
My point is, it increases choice and allow people to be more involved if they choose to.
For example....in the US most voters have issues with both parties (are there any others?) and are forced to choose between 2 groups of people they disagree with
Hamish McPanji
Honorary Master
Apologize for my atrocious American English spelling. Need to change dictionary on my phone
OrbitalDawn
Ulysses Everett McGill
So what? It'll be a more accurate reflection of the electorate's wishes.
It's ridiculous that SNP have 1.5m votes and get 56 seats while the Lib Dems have 2.5m votes and get 8 seats.
Garson made a good point about FPTP making sense in a world where instant and direct communication isn't possible, i.e. history.
Local government can sort out local issues. National legislatures should focus on bigger issues.
I agree with this - they have to fix this, probably through a referendum. The biggest problem will be convincing the electorate that it actually needs fixing though.
After the last referendum result, I just don't think the electorate is that interested in doing anything about it.
Let's be honest, it's a travesty and a crime against humanity that they even managed to get one. There are people in comas right now who are more in touch with reality than the Greens, and they would do a better job too.
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Hamish McPanji
Honorary Master
Actually, I fail to see your point
That their idealism motivates them may be true, but the same can be said of many political parties. More than a million people voted for them, and they were second placed in Sheffield Central (my valley) amongst other constituencies. After UKIP they are the fastest growing party (by %) in England