2022 Haval H6 HEV - Enter the CCP

So I took my car back to Haval Paarl on Tuesday so they could sort out the windscreen thing and they wanted to go over it for a chip and paint repair that was never done in the first place and while busy with that they were actually so annoyed with the smash & grab on the Driver's side window that they actually got that redone. It honestly didn't bother me at all, but the salesperson takes serious pride in looking after his customers and was not happy with it.

Anyway that's besides the point they gave me a virtually brand new Jolion Pro 1.5T S Ultra Luxury, and I'm not a 100% sure if was the faster higher powered S but it certainly didn't feel like only 105kW of the normal one.

It could have been a review on it's own but I feel that would be unfair as I didn't drive it that much over the past few days but also because I came into it 100% comparing it to the H6 every step of the way rather than to it's peers and so I feel it belongs in this thread more as a "Why you should buy a second hand H6, instead of a Jolion" kind of conversation.

Jolion Pro 1.5T S Ultra Luxury


Body

So at face value in my head it was just a smaller version of the H6, but fundamentally driving it the car doesn't feel SUV like at all. You don't get up into it like the H6 and your legs are mostly in front of you rather than folding in below you.

The Jolion is only 20cm shorter but is 10cm lower which I'm sure most of which is actually at ground clearance level and that makes it feel quite different. It feels much more sporty and less SUV like but also has an element of too small toy car because of it.

The one I got was the very same white with blacked out colour scheme as my car, but the change to blacked out door handles as well and a lot of matt black plastic body trim sections just gives it a much cheaper feeling overall. Oddly it doesn't have the black wheels but rather a dark silver setup which is possibly what contributes to this somewhat.

Interior

Getting in it reeked of new car which is always nice and first impressions are that the seats and general cabin are obviously much the same, until you notice the interface on both the entertainment unit and the driver cluster is entirely different.

There is generally a targeted marketing difference here and this car is definitely aimed at the younger generation, with the entertainment unit being much more of a "Smart Phone" feeling and I guess I'm getting that old but actually found it quite hard to navigate. Everything is smaller and more compressed, but there was also a much stronger Chinese element to entire way it looks and how the toggle button even though there are toggles describes their current state with a word I don't quite remember now but we'd never use in the English world to describe it. I want to say every toggle said "Locked/Unlocked" next to it which makes little sense.

The driver cluster is a lot more sparse and annoyingly instead of being just the LCD screen right up against the wheel this is an LCD screen inside a plastic encased and angled unit, which feels like it's shared with a cheaper model and they just pop the screen in there rather than analog dials. You only really notice this because when you have the sun shining on it later then it becomes quite hard to read at times. Again though it's aimed at the youthful market with changing themes for different drive modes..which funnily enough in this car seems to save when you turn it off unlike the annoyance of mine always jumping back to normal.

The doors have RGB light wave patterns things that pulse every so often and while I wouldn't not buy the car because of that it's definitely a non-feature that I hope one can turn off because I would happily go without. In contrast the H6 has a very tasteful always on light pattern that shines down onto the centre console from the top of the glove box area and that is the only fancy lighting you ever see and then only at night.

Otherwise the part of the interior I like over the H6 is that everything is fake carbon fibre and normally this would sound like a bad thing but considering it's matte and seems quite hardy this means it won't scratch easily and will likely still be the same in 10 years time, whereas the Piano Black glossy finish stuff in my H6 is already scuffed from day to day use and will simply get worse over time.

But the centre console is the weirdest waste of space I've seen in a while. There are these three "slots" all different sizes and I honestly don't know what you are meant to do with them. The one is just barely wide enough for the key to go in there but then is still 25cm long and I don't know what else can go in there. Then the next one is just wide enough to hold my phone...sideways and upright but why would I want to do this when the wireless charger pad is right behind it? And then the third one is tiny and I have no clue what the point is.

The two cupholders behind this are also two different sizes, which would mean two people sitting in front can't both have something in there as it won't fit two different size bottles and the whole thing is just a bit odd and seem so strange over the H6 with loads of space to put stuff down.

It has a similar "double shelf" vibe but has much less space which is maybe not a bad thing and then the centre cubby hole is also a bit smaller.

Better than the H6 it has all it's USB stuff on the driver side.

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The materials on the dash and doors is very soft touch but I actually wonder if it's too soft touch and how it will last over time.
 
The Drive

First things first I have to say in the probably 120km or so I did with the car I just couldn't find a ratio of steering wheel and seating distance that quite worked for me 100%, maybe spending more time with it that would become more apparent but especially when just driving casually and not hammering it I just felt like there wasn't enough support under my legs and they were floating in the air with the floor too close and if I jacket the seat up then that felt weird again.

Giving it some horns I was quite impressed with how sporty the drive was and that the car felt much smaller than it really was. When just driving and not thinking about it the throttle response was good and it picked up well and on the highway I would say there isn't much between this and the H6.

However where it fell apart for me, and granted I think this is from living with a Hybrid for a few weeks now that operates in electric all of the time at low speeds...but the dual clutch transmission when crawling in traffic taking my kids to school was HORRENDOUS. I think this isn't a negative of the Jolion in isolation but rather how I'm moved on from DCT's as opposed to the marvel that is the hybrid DHT gearbox in the H6 and just how ridiculously smooth it is. There's no elasticity, it's like a 1:1 ratio radio control car...tap throttle it goes forward release throttle it stops...the complete opposite with a petrol-engined and dual clutched gearbox that is just a rubbery elastic mess at low speeds. I don't remember my GTI being this terrible, but I'm sure in contract to the electric it will suck quite badly now.

At first I felt the steering was very loose and indirect with a sort of dead zone in the middle but then it bothered me enough to fiddle in the menus and switch it to sport and ultimately I think that's where it should just stay. Annoyingly I later learnt when you change modes they change this setting along with it and overrides whatever you chose manually...which makes me think I'd not bother changing modes as it likely doesn't do all that much to start with other than changing themes.

Surprisingly it makes a pretty good noise and even does a little snap crackle and pop with gear changes. Switching to the paddles they work and do their job and then promptly I turned it back off and carries on with my life because nobody needs manual labour like that.

I couldn't get a real feel for fuel economy and I know the Chinese are historically a little heavier but it didn't seem unreasonable to me.

Other than the steering feeling that little bit dead zoned off centre it handled well enough, but I also didn't have much opportunity to go smash it into some corners. It's not going to be a sports cars but it won't be dreadful. In fact I would say it was very similar to my mate's Honda Civic RS with just a little bit more lean due to being taller.

Capacity

Surprisingly the rear space isn't bad at all where I expected most of the differences to lie and there is even an air con vent back there and the same centre arm rest and cup holder setup just a bit smaller. My kids would have been quite happy in there but I reckon with the H6 you can comfortably sit 3 people in the back without a moan where this will be pushing it a bit.

Boot space is of course a hell of a lot less but then I would probably argue that the H6 has more than you'll ever really need for 90% of your day to day use case.

What's missing?

So besides the overall space difference the major things missing is the the sunroof is not really all that panoramic and extends maybe 3/4 towards the back where's the H6 is almost the entire roof.

Then another big one is that the boot is manual which is something that once it gets taken away from you is quite a big deal.

The HUD in a cheap market differential tactic is very limited to pretty much the speedometer and speed limit sings only whereas the H6 you have navigation and cruise control info and phone calls and really anything except for your current music or radio station. This is of course bullshit as the projector is almost certainly the same and it's just a feature disablement.

Other little luxury bits and bobs of course come out of the wood work like the lights under the mirrors on the floor and while they aren't something to buy a car for they do add a lot of class to the whole experience.

Heated Steering wheel I think isn't there either but would need to fact check that and I saw ventilated seats in the menus which I thought weren't a feature but seemingly as so not much loss there.

I wish I had driven the HEV vs HEV as that would have been more fair, but at the end of the day at R495 950 for this exact car and R516,900 for the HEV version I would any day of the week pay less to get more and sacrifice a little bit of warranty and getting that out of the box feeling that is never truly new anyway by the time you drive it.

Also, I'm still confused about this entire range with the Jolion, Jolion S, Jolion HEV and then Jolion Pro covering them all...is it just a case of model replacement and the others will go away once sold off or what is the story?
 
Anyway that's besides the point they gave me a virtually brand new Jolion Pro 1.5T S Ultra Luxury, and I'm not a 100% sure if was the faster higher powered S but it certainly didn't feel like only 105kW of the normal one.
You say they gave you the S but you are not sure if it was the S? :unsure:

Anyway, S models are 130kW (there are not any “S” models with 105kW, for example)
 
You say they gave you the S but you are not sure if it was the S? :unsure:

Anyway, S models are 130kW (there are not any “S” models with 105kW, for example)
Yes that’s why I said that’s the difference with the S but there is no actual branding on the car that says it’s an S.

It felt like a whole lot more than 105kW but that is literally the only difference between the two cars, from all I can see there isn’t any actual S branding on they all just say Jolion Pro.

Pointless to look at anything but the HEV in my opinion.
 
Also, I'm still confused about this entire range with the Jolion, Jolion S, Jolion HEV and then Jolion Pro covering them all...is it just a case of model replacement and the others will go away once sold off or what is the story?

Before the arrival of the Pro models, the Jolion range consisted of the normal 105kW models, the 130kW S model and the HEV.

Those models have now been facelifted, and the range has now also been expanded by introducing the Pro models, also with normal 105kW, S and HEV derivatives.

Unofficially, I think the non-Pro models are now somewhat Haval’s version of a Polo Vivo
 
Before the arrival of the Pro models, the Jolion range consisted of the normal 105kW models, the 130kW S model and the HEV.

Those models have now been facelifted, and the range has now also been expanded by introducing the Pro models, also with normal 105kW, S and HEV derivatives.

Unofficially, I think the non-Pro models are now somewhat Haval’s version of a Polo Vivo
Yeah it’s a weird setup, maybe a case of still having a lot of stock locally.

I just read on Cars.co.za that other than the 130kW the suspension setup is also different which maybe explains why it felt unexpectedly sporty to me.

In fact, our biggest criticism of the Haval Pro’s driving experience is its sporty (in other words, decidedly firm) ride quality. There’s adequate damping on slightly uneven roads, but we felt the newcomer’s ride never quite settled down unless it was cruising on a highway. The steering isn’t sloppy, but could do with some more feel and directness. Still, in light of the model’s price position, we don’t want to nitpick.

Same vibes I had of the steering.
 
What I don’t get is the Pro has the same interior as the older non-Pro?

Exterior is fairly different between Pro & older non-Pro but to me the interior is effectively a carbon copy.
 
What I don’t get is the Pro has the same interior as the older non-Pro?

Exterior is fairly different between Pro & older non-Pro but to me the interior is effectively a carbon copy.
Keep in mind the Jolion Pro is not “newer” or “younger” than the Jolion.

In China, the Jolion Pro is known as the Chitu, and it got on the market there roughly the same time as the Jolion (2021). The Jolion Pro is basically the export version of the Chitu.

China models have a different interior, but right hand drive models have the same interior as the Jolion, I would speculate that this decision to not convert the Chitu interior from LHD to RHD was cost driven.

Furthermore I think that Haval in RHD markets like SA and Australia saw the opportunity to utilise and market the Chitu as a “newer” Jolion to blow some new life into the range, and they use the Jolion name because of its popularity.

As I said, I think it is a bit of a Polo/Polo Vivo vibe going on here, so I do not think the Pro is an outright replacement of the non Pro
 
Keep in mind the Jolion Pro is not “newer” or “younger” than the Jolion.

In China, the Jolion Pro is known as the Chitu, and it got on the market there roughly the same time as the Jolion (2021). The Jolion Pro is basically the export version of the Chitu.

China models have a different interior, but right hand drive models have the same interior as the Jolion, I would speculate that this decision to not convert the Chitu interior from LHD to RHD was cost driven.

Furthermore I think that Haval in RHD markets like SA and Australia saw the opportunity to utilise and market the Chitu as a “newer” Jolion to blow some new life into the range, and they use the Jolion name because of its popularity.

As I said, I think it is a bit of a Polo/Polo Vivo vibe going on here, so I do not think the Pro is an outright replacement of the non Pro
Thanks, that fills in a number of blanks.
 
Not necessarily, the situation is the same in Australia, for example.

Refer to my post above.

Normally I would have said it must be a pain to maintain so many different variants, but actually Haval is very clever there with pretty much the 1.5T powertrain across the board and then only adding the HEV bits to those models whereas everything else remains the same so it's actually not much of a burden at all.
 
I have put 42 000km on my H6 HEV and have had zero problems.

I must say if it wasn't for the drive in your car and the overall positive experience you've had I would never have pulled the trigger or even looked at them to start with.

The new one just announced for 2025 looks even more amazing.
 
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He he, I’ll update that in time with real figures and not the claimed kak.

So at least 2000km and two tanks from now I reckon.

Funnily enough for the life of the Kia Picanto it averaged 6.8 l/100km because while it would go as low as 5 l/100 in urban settings it worked hard on the highway.
The 1.0L Picanto paired with that bad auto returns piss poor economy.
 
The 1.0L Picanto paired with that bad auto returns piss poor economy.

No, no it was the 1.2 and Manual.

6.3l/100km real world on average is pretty good I reckon.
 
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I wish I had driven the HEV vs HEV as that would have been more fair, but at the end of the day at R495 950 for this exact car and R516,900 for the HEV version I would any day of the week pay less to get more and sacrifice a little bit of warranty and getting that out of the box feeling that is never truly new anyway by the time you drive it.

Also, I'm still confused about this entire range with the Jolion, Jolion S, Jolion HEV and then Jolion Pro covering them all...is it just a case of model replacement and the others will go away once sold off or what is the story?
I just drove the HEV versions of the H6 and Jolion and I was seriously impressed by both. The H6 is faster off the line but the Jolion isn't far behind. The Jolion makes up for it with a cool EV spaceship sound as you accelerate. They both drive very similar apart from the ride height. Its a tough choice between the two
 
You know what, the car is only as good as the backup you get from dealers and in my opinion its been pathetic, H6C owner since 2017 and I'm never buying a Haval again.
 
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