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Looking at how the new uncapped packages are being marketed; shouldn't a package that is labeled as uncapped be able to handle 24/7?

Are there any cases of international ISPs specifically excluding 24/7 downloading for an uncapped product?
 
Yes it should, but seeing as we don't have many cables servicing us the reason for all this shaping can be caused by either: insufficient capacity on the cables or the cost is just not sustainable for the prices we are paying. I'm sure if all ISP's stopped shaping we start moaning about our browsing speeds aswell as download speeds due to congestion.
 
only way to finish downloads is to run them all the time thanks to the shaping, i mean i just started a 65gb torrent, does mweb expect me too only download it when im at my pc for a few hours a day? what a joke
 
acidrain said:
Yes it should, but seeing as we don't have many cables servicing us the reason for all this shaping can be caused by either: insufficient capacity on the cables or the cost is just not sustainable for the prices we are paying. I'm sure if all ISP's stopped shaping we start moaning about our browsing speeds aswell as download speeds due to congestion.
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this type of apologist attitude will ensure that broadband never comes to south africa
 
Irrelevant, because all such products and services are subject to, and limited by, the ... T&C. This has been discussed at length, as you know. From MWeb's T&C, for example:

12.4 <snip> The ADSL Service is intended for periodic, active use of the internet. <snip>
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Continual 24/7 downloading is not periodic, active use. I'm sure MWeb does not mind if you go to the kitchen to make coffee while your downloads continue. They do mind when you queue up downloads to run at line speed 24/7.

Will be interesting to see the relevant sections of the T&C from other ISPs.
 
Fader4 said:
this type of apologist attitude will ensure that broadband never comes to south africa
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ROFL! So ISPs should let all users max out their lines 24/7 such that no-one can browse :wtf: Wishful thinking and hoping doesn't build new cables.
 
SabreWolfy said:
Irrelevant, because all such products and services are subject to, and limited by, the ... T&C. This has been discussed at length, as you know. From MWeb's T&C, for example:



Continual 24/7 downloading is not periodic, active use. I'm sure MWeb does not mind if you go to the kitchen to make coffee while your downloads continue. They do mind when you queue up downloads to run at line speed 24/7.

Will be interesting to see the relevant sections of the T&C from other ISPs.
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they might aswell just say "this connection is intended for your granny to browse and send her granny emails"..... btw how long have you worked for mweb?
 
Sabre - M point is not that the Mweb type service should not be made availabe. My question is whether it should be accepted as uncapped?

Again i ask - internationally would these packages be able to find peers?
 
What attitude. It's common logic but i tell you what. Go find some rich investor, start your own isp with no shaping or any limits of sorts, yet competes with current isp home packages, and see how long you survive.

Or better yet, move to another country. Broadband has been moving forward over the past few years and if you haven't realised that then i don't know.

milomak said:
Sabre - M point is not that the Mweb type service should not be made availabe. My question is whether it should be accepted as uncapped?

Again i ask - internationally would these packages be able to find peers?
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I would accept their package as uncapped. Those that have been cut-off were probably doing in the region of 400+ gigs a month constantly. On a 4meg line thats almost half a month of running the line flat out so imagine if all of mweb's clients were doing this. Besides how on earth does someone do 400gb/month constantly. Chances are they download just for the hell of it.

And internationally, well find a country that has the exact same capacity serving it, to us and compare their prices, then you might have some facts. Following that it will still boil down to the price for capacity on said systems.
 
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Fader4 said:
they might aswell just say "this connection is intended for your granny to browse and send her granny emails"..... btw how long have you worked for mweb?
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Find the thread where users report how much they've downloaded per month. How many grannies are pulling hundreds of GB per month?
 
acidrain said:
What attitude. It's common logic but i tell you what. Go find some rich investor, start your own isp with no shaping or any limits of sorts, yet competes with current isp home packages, and see how long you survive.

Or better yet, move to another country. Broadband has been moving forward over the past few years and if you haven't realised that then i don't know.
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no one is disputing the value of the accounts compared to what we have been used to. but i think it stands to reason that when based against international standards, these uncapped offerings we are getting fall short of the mark.

so while technically you never get cut off; people from countries with uncapped would laugh at the T&Cs.
 
milomak said:
no one is disputing the value of the accounts compared to what we have been used to. but i think it stands to reason that when based against international standards, these uncapped offerings we are getting fall short of the mark.

so while technically you never get cut off; people from countries with uncapped would laugh at the T&Cs.
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What's the use of comparing products here with products in first world countries? The comparison is pointless. Any number of products and services vary in large or small ways between any number of countries. How a product is advertised HERE is irrelevant compared to other countries. Here, uncapped means that, unless you contravene the T&C, your access will not be terminated.

People from other countries can, and probably do, laugh at any number of other things. So what? In Finland, broadband internet access at home is now a BASIC HUMAN RIGHT. So what? We have millions of people in this country who still don't have access to shelter, water, electricity and education.
 
all i want from mweb is honesty, we know they have a threshold after which your account is flagged, monitored and then cut off eventually, why not just have high usage accounts or at least give us some indication of "acceptable use", dont advertise something as "unlimited" when its shaped to death with an unofficial and unpublished cap aka "threshold" , thats not uncapped or unlimited
 
Fader4 said:
all i want from mweb is honesty, we know they have a threshold after which your account is flagged, monitored and then cut off eventually, why not just have high usage accounts or at least give us some indication of "acceptable use", dont advertise something as "unlimited" when its shaped to death with an unofficial and unpublished cap aka "threshold" , thats not uncapped or unlimited
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When used within the T&C it is uncapped. This is not the same as unlimited or unrestricted.
 
milomak said:
no one is disputing the value of the accounts compared to what we have been used to. but i think it stands to reason that when based against international standards, these uncapped offerings we are getting fall short of the mark.

so while technically you never get cut off; people from countries with uncapped would laugh at the T&Cs.
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It's hard to compare with other countries due to several variables. It's like comparing england's public health services to ours.

I'm sure if additional capacity was feasibly sustainable, mweb would have done it by now.. it only makes business sense to keep your customers happy, but sometimes you have to draw a line somewhere for the good of everyone and your business.

Looking at my cost/GB, I'm fairly happy with the product. I do, in my opinion, a high amount of downloading and i don't even come half way to what some guys have posted in the other thread.
 
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all i ask is my 600gigs, i dont think thats unreasonable for the price i pay
 
SabreWolfy said:
What's the use of comparing products here with products in first world countries? The comparison is pointless. Any number of products and services vary in large or small ways between any number of countries. How a product is advertised HERE is irrelevant compared to other countries. Here, uncapped means that, unless you contravene the T&C, your access will not be terminated.

People from other countries can, and probably do, laugh at any number of other things. So what? In Finland, broadband internet access at home is now a BASIC HUMAN RIGHT. So what? We have millions of people in this country who still don't have access to shelter, water, electricity and education.
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you are being obtuse. an ipod is the same anywhere in the world. would it still be an ipod if its physical attributes were limited in south africa? sure the poor amongst us wouldn't care. but that still doesn't make the point any less valid with respect to the technical specifications to those that can afford it. all you are really saying is we should accept products that are branded the same as international ones (even though inferior) and be happy we have them. god bless you for you defeatist attitude.

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When used within the T&C it is uncapped. This is not the same as unlimited or unrestricted.
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i do believe mweb advertise the packages as unlimited. tanya35 even linked to a Game advert showing the same. I guess you will now redefine unlimited.
 
Fader4 said:
89c if you dont include line rental, i think thats reasonable
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6 months ago we were paying, on some packages, between R19 adn R29 per GB?

An MWeb 1GB booster cost R99. 89c is two orders of magnitude lower than R99. That's 100 times cheaper. So a R30 burger and fries in your world costs 30c and a new R150,000 car costs R1500. Nice :)
 
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