24-7 Online

Clint Armstrong said:
Radio performance that is powerful enough to penetrate buildings, System architecture fast enough to move voice and video. Every software feature imaginable at your command with a central network manager. Pre-programmed functionality and a propriety software protocol which allows it to automatically link to other mesh units, thus scaling without any user intervention. Once the mesh nodes are deployed, only a single ethernet backhaul connection is required into a given unit. When this is provided, the complete network automatically links together and all network configurations are performance optimized in real-time, creating an instant mesh network. The mesh node contains two independent radios. The primary radio operates at 2.4 GHz and is used to serve WiFi clients.The second radio operates in the 5.8 GHz band is used exclusively for the internal mesh relay. This configuration is ideal as it optimizes throughput and allows for superior data rate and latency performance required for such applications as voice and video. Each radio is designed around 24-7 Online technology and performance is beyond that found in standard solutions.
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Sounds a bit like Smartbridge Nexus units. GL - I tested them and walked (ran) away .... hope for your sake its not what you are using.

There are a few others doing the integrated dual frequency solutions - yet to see any WISPs successfully rolling out using this type of topography.

<EDIT> - perhaps to expand - yet to see an 802.11b chipset or related chipset handle any form of mass client numbers. The technology, irrespective of how well the added software and features are simply does not hold up. The propriety equipment costs more - for a reason.
 
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Chaz said:
Sounds a bit like Smartbridge Nexus units. GL - I tested them and walked (ran) away .... hope for your sake its not what you are using.

There are a few others doing the integrated dual frequency solutions - yet to see any WISPs successfully rolling out using this type of topography.

<EDIT> - perhaps to expand - yet to see an 802.11b chipset or related chipset handle any form of mass client numbers. The technology, irrespective of how well the added software and features are simply does not hold up. The propriety equipment costs more - for a reason.
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This is why we are the Exclusive Value Added Reseller for Hopling Technologies and yes you are correct in this statement "The propriety equipment costs more - for a reason"
 
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Mind answering my earlier questions?

Curious about 2 simple things - putting technology aside.

2.4GHz equipment - 100mW EIRP?
5.xGHz illegal is SA (licensed to some of the municapalities for their own use)

Explain how you get past those. I dont personally believe a 2.4GHz deployment is possible on 100mW EIRP.
 
Chaz said:
5.xGHz illegal is SA (licensed to some of the municapalities for their own use)
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not all of the 5.xghz is illegal:

5.150 5.451 5.453 5.455 5.456 NF 54 ISM (5725 - 5875 MHz)
PTP/PTMP wireless LAN
(TICS 5795 - 5805 MHz) (future)

taken straight from icasa pdf file
http://www.icasa.org.za/Documents.aspx?Page=83
South African Table of Frequency Allocations
 
I realise there is an ISM II band - however ICASA does as it pleases (nothing new) and has 'assigned' this to some municipal areas (JHB/PTA). Obviously a waste of spectrum.

As I said before - if someone can convince me that it can legally be done, I will deploy tomorrow or bring investment that will far exceed anything done before, to the table. Again - it has to be legal enough for investors (including one SA bank) to be happy with it.

We attracted investments and such on another platform (licensed bands) - however we are at a deadlock with ICASA at the moment.
 
Chaz what about using Wimax in the 2.4ghz spectrum and where
is the Wimax forum I can't find it.
 
You wont get any 2.4GHz WiMax - not for the next 12-18 months at least I suspect.
 
It seems the Wimax forum has been canned why? What is going on.
http://www.mybroadband.co.za/vb/archive/index.php/t-19344.html
www.grintektelecom.co.za (http://www.grintektelecom.co.za)
www.michelangelotech.com (http://www.michelangelotech.com)
Venture Communications ( www.venturecomms.com) is representing WaveIP in South Africa (www.waveip.com ). Contact Mike on 083-252-6914.

www.redlinecommunications seems to be in partnership with www.spescom.co.za ?
From their site they have been certified by the Wimax forum as being Wimax compliant with equipment in the
3.5ghz band (Telkom's band) and the 5.8ghz and 5.4ghz band.
So why is there not a single demo in South-Africa of license free Wimax transmission?
Mike apparently has Wimax equipment(or Pre-Wimax which implements the 802.16 protocol). It seems Waveip
can't use the term Wimax due to licensing issues. But 802.16 basically is Wimax. Does the equipment use
the Intel Rosedale chipset?
Some tests anything Mike?
 
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daffy said:
I'm here in the interests of helping the consumers.
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Daffy, its wonderful that you are a self appointed "Knight in Bloody Shining Armour" I really think that if 24-7 is a fly-by-night company, the truth will soon enough be unveiled. If you were caught out by previous unholy's, its unfair to comb every black sheep with the same brush!

I think this forum has grown with enough people with fantastic technical expertise and time to trial and test this service, and people on this forum will nodoubt listen to the people who's tried & tested 24-7.

I would by far listen to those people who's tried it, and recommend the serivce, than someone who has not tried the service, and have nothing good to say about them at all.

I'm hardly an optimist, give these people a chance, because its hard enough to open any form of business to compete against the giants in this country with regulated bandwidth etc. and if these people can get up and running, and make the difference they say they can make, LET THEM. At the end of the day, its up to those consumers who've tried the service to tell those curious if its worth wile or not.

I would think that installation of these packages should be affordable, i would certainly pay R500 installation but not R3000... So lets see who's who in the zoo, and who delivers the goods!.
 
Okay. sure..

We'll just let hundreds of little Wireless ISPs pollute the ISM frequencies until it gets to a point where no-one can use them anymore, forcing us to use Telkom. Way to go competition!
 
daffy said:
Okay. sure..

We'll just let hundreds of little Wireless ISPs pollute the ISM frequencies until it gets to a point where no-one can use them anymore, forcing us to use Telkom. Way to go competition!
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daffy has a very real point here - i am aware of issues in a number of places in the western cape and garden route where a critical stage has been reached as regards pollution and interference

while some steps are being taken to address these issues and get people to co-operate etc everyone who has the interests of the industry at heart needs to realise that the surest and shortest way to fsck everything up is creating interference to telkom's backhaul in the 2.4 range...this is a surefire way to prompt confiscations and general crap
 
dominic said:
daffy has a very real point here - i am aware of issues in a number of places in the western cape and garden route where a critical stage has been reached as regards pollution and interference
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These 2.4ghz small video transmitters transmitting with a small piece of wire causes interference as well. Could www.poynting.co.za not develop a impedence matching stage to connect these transmitters to a patch or
parabolic antenna?

We need to drastically reduce the usage of 2.4ghz equipment. Rather have 10 adjacent houses connect to each other via a neat row of telephone poles (details posted on the Dialup-ISDN forum) and share ONE mesh node or Linksys box.
Technically this is the obvious solution. Socially it would be difficult but not impossible. It's just amazing how South-Africans allow themselves to be intimidated by 'authorities'. What you do in your gardern with chopped up pine trees and copper wire will not result in the deputy director of prosecution taking aim at you.

Elsewhere dominic wrote that he was present with five attempted 'prosecutions'. The police can't prosecute you, they can only take a statement from you and Icasa. This statement will be presented to a prosecutor who will first have to send it to John Welch(since there is no test cases). ONly if Welch decided to prosecute to establish a test case would there have been a prosecution.

People are being needlessly terrified by civil servents brandishing about terms like 'prosecution'. dominic was present with 5 statements taken from Icasa and the defendent by the police. Icasa can joyfully lay charges all they want and the police take thousands of statements. John Welch is the 'great Knight in shining armour' that protects us against state terror, arbitralily deciding what laws are fair according to his personal views.

My point is that even if dominic's clients had written complete nonsense on the charge sheet or even outright admitting that they agree with Icasa that their using a license free band was illegal - John Welch would still not have prosecuted anybody. You can't force the NPA to prosecute you, especially if it would establishing a precedent in an area which the NPA doesn't want to get involved in -Telecoms law, Access to information, IT related stuff like email format compliance).

The consequence of this human being Mr. Welch not caring one fig about all the dimwits who paid Icasa millions in
licensing fees to establish Telecoms (various frequencies/fixed wired) operations, complaining bitterly about everybody
just doing whatever they want is called tough luck.

This specific information of the inner workings of our criminal justice system that the legal fraternity doesn't want the public to know about.
 
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captainwifi said:
These 2.4ghz small video transmitters transmitting with a small piece of wire causes interference as well. Could www.poynting.co.za not develop a impedence matching stage to connect these transmitters to a patch or
parabolic antenna?

We need to drastically reduce the usage of 2.4ghz equipment. Rather have 10 adjacent houses connect to each other via a neat row of telephone poles (details posted on the Dialup-ISDN forum) and share ONE mesh node or Linksys box.
Technically this is the obvious solution. Socially it would be difficult but not impossible. It's just amazing how South-Africans allow themselves to be intimidated by 'authorities'. What you do in your gardern with chopped up pine trees and copper wire will not result in the deputy director of prosecution taking aim at you.

Elsewhere dominic wrote that he was present with five attempted 'prosecutions'. The police can't prosecute you, they can only take a statement from you and Icasa. This statement will be presented to a prosecutor who will first have to send it to John Welch(since there is no test cases). ONly if Welch decided to prosecute to establish a test case would there have been a prosecution.

People are being needlessly terrified by civil servents brandishing about terms like 'prosecution'. dominic was present with 5 statements taken from Icasa and the defendent by the police. Icasa can joyfully lay charges all they want and the police take thousands of statements. John Welch is the 'great Knight in shining armour' that protects us against state terror, arbitralily deciding what laws are fair according to his personal views.

My point is that even if dominic's clients had written complete nonsense on the charge sheet or even outright admitting that they agree with Icasa that their using a license free band was illegal - John Welch would still not have prosecuted anybody. You can't force the NPA to prosecute you, especially if it would establishing a precedent in an area which the NPA doesn't want to get involved in -Telecoms law, Access to information, IT related stuff like email format compliance).

The consequence of this human being Mr. Welch not caring one fig about all the dimwits who paid Icasa millions in
licensing fees to establish Telecoms (various frequencies/fixed wired) operations, complaining bitterly about everybody
just doing whatever they want is called tough luck.

This specific information of the inner workings of our criminal justice system that the legal fraternity doesn't want the public to know about.
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<quoted to prevent captainwifi from changing his mind in a few hours, after someone's ripped his theories apart>

So we've moved from a Wifi forum, to a conspiracy theory forum... what a bizarre twist.
 
Daffy even if everybody were to turn down their signal to 50mW we would
still have spectrum pollution. We need to destroy the incentive Wisps have to place 3 120degree sector antenna's on a mountain on channel 1, 6 and 12 and blast their signal over a radius of 15km. It's not just Omni's causing trouble but Yagi's and the 180 degree flat panel which has severe sidelobe issues. (please use two 90degrees if you want to cover 80degrees)

Any number of AP's can connect to a fixed wired Dslam[do wikipedia search] backbone network. For example connect 40 parabolics spaced 20m apart in a row 800m long. From these 40 parabolics distribute the signal to another parabolic which in turn is connected to 40 houses via a DSlam. Thus 1600 users use 80 parabolics to receive data - solving our spectrum pollution problem.

My point is that if you provide 1600 users with a 4meg satellite connection from a mountain via sector antenna's Icasa will clip your wings. There is no way that Icasa could hope to run around with 80 court orders to zap parabolics on people's roofs. Kindly consider my view that the best technical solution is a hybrid mix of fixed wired and wireless.
a)No need for elevated highsites - the main cause of pollution.
b)The closer a node distribution point is to your roof the safer it is from Icasa.

A hybrid solution makes building wireless repeaters easier. The usual way is inserting two 802.11b Senao cards into two PCI slots and connecting two parabolics back to back. The two cards must be seperated by a strip of copper to shield each card from the other's RF interference. The parabolics should be seperated from each other by at least 3-6m if possible.
Building wireless repeaters on a fixed wired backbone enables the 3-6m seperation between antennas to be achieved more
easily.
 
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yeah just remember "eyemax" "wavestream" now "24-7 Online" was asked by ICASA to remove their 5watt amp
 
made a mistake, it was a total of 8watts (4x2watts amps) they were asked to remove
 
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