24-7 Online

wiki said:
yeah just remember "eyemax" "wavestream" now "24-7 Online" was asked by ICASA to remove their 5watt amp
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Geez Wiki and Eben, let's get real here guys - where on earth did you get this hogwash from?? Do you really think that Icasa would have allowed Wavestream to continue operating if the company was amping to that extend? Wavestream was never approached by Icasa for any wrong doing at any time during the existance of the company. Wavestream does not exist anymore - the wireless industry is much more exiting now - so let's move on to more current issues.
 
Clint Armstrong said:
Geez Wiki and Eben, let's get real here guys - where on earth did you get this hogwash from?? Do you really think that Icasa would have allowed Wavestream to continue operating if the company was amping to that extend? Wavestream was never approached by Icasa for any wrong doing at any time during the existance of the company. Wavestream does not exist anymore - the wireless industry is much more exiting now - so let's move on to more current issues.
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But you dont answer questions to current issues.

1. How do you make a business case on 2.4GHz with 100mW?
2. How do you legally use 5.x GHz and get type approval for kit?
3. Your 'special' equipment seems to be based on 802.11 a/b/g viariants - how exactly are you going to get past the problems associated with that chipset specifically looking at the issues around Collision detection and avoidance?

Pray tell ...... im not asking about history or about companies in the past. This will be the third time im asking - its fairly obvious and clear you selectively answer - hardly setting anyone at ease about your operation and its future.
 
Thank you Lab Animal - a mature approach.

Setting up a wireless company is expensive - nobody in their right minds would throw that kind of money after a concern that they think would be "fly by night" - too much money must be invested long before any returns, therefor I believe that the players in this field are passionate individuals, who in the face of adversity, still persist to bring cheaper wireless answers to the end user.

Yes, a point to point link is still very expensive that is why meshing is the answer. However, this is also still expensive (even though a lot less expensive than two years ago) for the company and the roll out is slow.
 
Sorry Chaz time is a bit limited - I am still in the process of answering - will get to your questions soon
 
Clint Armstrong said:
Thank you Lab Animal - a mature approach.

Setting up a wireless company is expensive - nobody in their right minds would throw that kind of money after a concern that they think would be "fly by night" - too much money must be invested long before any returns, therefor I believe that the players in this field are passionate individuals, who in the face of adversity, still persist to bring cheaper wireless answers to the end user.

Yes, a point to point link is still very expensive that is why meshing is the answer. However, this is also still expensive (even though a lot less expensive than two years ago) for the company and the roll out is slow.
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Dont personally agree with the legal statement stopping someone from rolling out. The past has shown this not to be true - however ill just agree to disagree.
 
Clint Armstrong said:
Sorry Chaz time is a bit limited - I am still in the process of answering - will get to your questions soon
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Will be waiting.
 
Chaz, your questions relate a bit to asking the Colonel for his recipe. Why don't you take the bull by the horns and start your Wisp if you have a Vans licence? Have you submitted documentation for type approval yet? If not, why delay? If you have, Icasa would have given reasons fro not approving the kit. This industry is not for the cautious at this stage .... if you wait you might find that the bus has left without you ....
 
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daffy said:
Okay. sure..

We'll just let hundreds of little Wireless ISPs pollute the ISM frequencies until it gets to a point where no-one can use them anymore, forcing us to use Telkom. Way to go competition!
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Is this not again a matter of cheering for the establishment of another giant monopoly?
Was it not for the passion the smaller Wisps have for the industry, the giants would have consumed the industry long ago.
And who should we identify as not being one of these hundreds of little Wisps who will actually be the company/ies to keep prices low and work within the rules and regulations?

Why do we have Icasa and the Vans licence?

Dominic mentioned, "anybody who has the interests of the industry at heart...." I believe we all have. Yes, we have to work together, with one another and even with Icasa, and in doing so we can strengthen the smaller Wisps and ensure the ultimate interest of consumers - affordable internet supplied by Wisps who have the industry at heart and not just huge profits.
 
captainwifi said:
These 2.4ghz small video transmitters transmitting with a small piece of wire causes interference as well. Could www.poynting.co.za not develop a impedence matching stage to connect these transmitters to a patch or
parabolic antenna?

We need to drastically reduce the usage of 2.4ghz equipment. Rather have 10 adjacent houses connect to each other via a neat row of telephone poles (details posted on the Dialup-ISDN forum) and share ONE mesh node or Linksys box.
Technically this is the obvious solution. Socially it would be difficult but not impossible. It's just amazing how South-Africans allow themselves to be intimidated by 'authorities'. What you do in your gardern with chopped up pine trees and copper wire will not result in the deputy director of prosecution taking aim at you.

Elsewhere dominic wrote that he was present with five attempted 'prosecutions'. The police can't prosecute you, they can only take a statement from you and Icasa. This statement will be presented to a prosecutor who will first have to send it to John Welch(since there is no test cases). ONly if Welch decided to prosecute to establish a test case would there have been a prosecution.

People are being needlessly terrified by civil servents brandishing about terms like 'prosecution'. dominic was present with 5 statements taken from Icasa and the defendent by the police. Icasa can joyfully lay charges all they want and the police take thousands of statements. John Welch is the 'great Knight in shining armour' that protects us against state terror, arbitralily deciding what laws are fair according to his personal views.

My point is that even if dominic's clients had written complete nonsense on the charge sheet or even outright admitting that they agree with Icasa that their using a license free band was illegal - John Welch would still not have prosecuted anybody. You can't force the NPA to prosecute you, especially if it would establishing a precedent in an area which the NPA doesn't want to get involved in -Telecoms law, Access to information, IT related stuff like email format compliance).

The consequence of this human being Mr. Welch not caring one fig about all the dimwits who paid Icasa millions in
licensing fees to establish Telecoms (various frequencies/fixed wired) operations, complaining bitterly about everybody
just doing whatever they want is called tough luck.

This specific information of the inner workings of our criminal justice system that the legal fraternity doesn't want the public to know about.
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We believe meshing is the way to go. This however costs mula, money, greenbacks, - exactly the reason why it is not already all over the place. We are currently working with this very exiting technology and are having good results.

Icasa is not all bad. We need a regulatory body otherwise we will have total chaos in the wireless industry. The idea is to work with them (against is going to bring you nowhere) and to work together with one another (also the idea behind this forum?) so that ultimately consumers have THE FREEDOM TO CHOOSE between various suppliers and not be forced to pay the prices of the monopolies.
 
playkiller no.2 said:
Is there a 24-7 online mesh in the Cape Town Edgemead area.
Is P2P allowed or is it limited on your systems.
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P2P is allowed on the Network. You can try scan for the SSID 24-7online.co.za - if you pick it up please feel free to contact the sales department.
 
Clint Armstrong said:
Chaz, your questions relate a bit to asking the Colonel for his recipe. Why don't you take the bull by the horns and start your Wisp if you have a Vans licence? Have you submitted documentation for type approval yet? If not, why delay? If you have, Icasa would have given reasons fro not approving the kit. This industry is not for the cautious at this stage .... if you wait you might find that the bus has left without you ....
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Funny - you could have said that earlier. You elude to answer some of the questions that do not ask for the recipe.

2.4 @ 100mW is physics ....
5.x legality is just that ....

and the final question of the chipset for your kit being 802.11b and the problems with collision detection etc is hardly asking for a recipe - i suggest that you will sit with problems like everyone else has seen on 802.11 a/b/g products and that is a severe degredation of performance after a certain client number occurs (among other things).

The reason why I dont start a WISP tomorrow is based on a few reasons - any, subject to change.

1. I am not in SA at the moment, but have a PTY company with a VANs licence ready.
2. I am not convinced of the legalitty of 'self provisioning', nor are my investors.
3. I am currently in talks with ICASA for licensed spectrum although this has admittedly hit a bit of a wall while I wait for them to find out what they want to do with this spectrum we want.
4. I have access to loads and loads of very well priced proprietary gear - if I can satisfy some of the points above I will consider deployment.

One of the most difficult items I have at the moment is being abroad and driving this on. I would consider some form of patnership if this would help things along. Funding (enough) is in place as required. I am currently too busy abroad to head back just yet.

Feel free to PM me if you want to chat.
 
Chaz said:
2. I am not convinced of the legalitty of 'self provisioning', nor are my investors.
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financing from major institutional investors/lenders for deals in the industry is happening and this obviously involves acceptance of the legality of "self-provisioning" although ICASA itself appears split on the issue while the DoC seems to accept it but is not ready to go public in as many words

whichever way you can expect clarity on this issue before the end of April

Chaz said:
3. I am currently in talks with ICASA for licensed spectrum although this has admittedly hit a bit of a wall while I wait for them to find out what they want to do with this spectrum we want.
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there are a lot of VANS applications for frequency sitting with ICASA and they seem to be a bit of a hot potato given the splits over "self-provisioning"...
 
dominic said:
financing from major institutional investors/lenders for deals in the industry is happening and this obviously involves acceptance of the legality of "self-provisioning" although ICASA itself appears split on the issue while the DoC seems to accept it but is not ready to go public in as many words

whichever way you can expect clarity on this issue before the end of April

there are a lot of VANS applications for frequency sitting with ICASA and they seem to be a bit of a hot potato given the splits over "self-provisioning"...
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Who / where will this be clarified?

I doubt too many will be applying for the same frequency we have asked for ..... but lets see.
 
Chaz said:
Who / where will this be clarified?

I doubt too many will be applying for the same frequency we have asked for ..... but lets see.
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clarification said to be forthcoming in the upcoming policy announcements (would be stupid to hazard a guess as to exact timing)
 
playkiller no.2 said:
Are you talking about a wireless card to pick up the 24-7 network.
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In certain area's in the Western Cape where the mesh has already been rolled out you should be able to pick up the ssid with just a normal desktop wifi device or a pcmcia card.
 
Clint Armstrong said:
In certain area's in the Western Cape where the mesh has already been rolled out you should be able to pick up the ssid with just a normal desktop wifi device or a pcmcia card.
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I'm in Parow during the day and Brackenfell during the night. I don't pick up anything.

Do I need a extra antenna or something?
 
Hey all!

i got my 24-7Online 128kbps connection installed yesterday, so far so good. i just had a bit of a problem with line of site, i live in plattekloof 2 and the tower for plattekloof doesnt cover plattekloof 2 and 3 and 4, only plattekloof 1, but they ended up pointing a grid toward Century City. i get full download speeds and im pretty happy with everything so far.
 
i am patiently awaiting my installation ... clint?
could you move mountains :eek: , hills and get it done by this w/e¿

Plz.
 
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