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How much difference is there really between a 5ms lcd screen and a 2ms screen?

I tried a 19" lcd 5ms and seemed to blur abit in games when moving fast compared to my CRT 17", well it seemed more like i could'nt focus when turning my player fast around in the game.

I have'nt seen the difference in a 2ms so was wanting to know if there is a big gap between the two in sharpness?
 
The naked human eye cannot tell the difference between 2ms and 5ms - seriously.

It is a sales gimmick. I have had both and couldn't tell any difference.
 
In the days I played a lot of Quake3 and fast paced games like that, the 5ms irritated me. A friend said he couldn't see the difference, but I swore by 2ms, and since then whenever I buy a screen, 2ms is a must for me. It does make a difference
 
WiT8litZ said:
In the days I played a lot of Quake3 and fast paced games like that, the 5ms irritated me. A friend said he couldn't see the difference, but I swore by 2ms, and since then whenever I buy a screen, 2ms is a must for me. It does make a difference
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The monitors of today are far superior to the monitors of the Quake 3 era.
 
I have a 5ms screen and even if I play a very fast moving game like Trackmania I can't see any dithering. I wouldn't say it's hype though - 2ms is faster than 5ms, 120hz is faster than 60hz, it's just a question of whether you can notice the difference.
 
maybe my eyes are back to front i dont know, maybe i am also sleeping with my sister from the crosseyedness.

Cause i swear i played battlefield 2 in the chopper on both the CRT and 5ms and could barley see the okes running on the ground with the 5 ms when turning in that thing.
It gives almost liek that motion blur effect you get in the games now days, and battlefield 2 does'nt support that feature.

Is there something else on my monitor that could be causing that, its brand new. What other features do monitors come with that cause this?
 
Go read this .... http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm

also from OverclockersClub...

What you see is limited to your Monitor refresh rate. So if your system is capable of producing 100 FPS on Bioshock but your Monitor is refreshing @ 60Hz than you are only seeing 60 FPS. This is true whether not Vertical Sync is enabled or not - only difference is with it enabled all the xtra frames are dropped completely. With it not enabled your video card can render them as fast as it can, but you're still going to be limited to your Monitor's refresh rate.

Far as what the human eye can see... well that one is still one big mystery as there are way too many variables that cloud the issue. Supposedly it is 60 FPS and the industry strives between 30 and 60, but the human eye interpets light and images in different ways. So the answer to the question is it limited to 60 FPS - is... yes, no and maybe so.

So it appears it depends on:
- Refresh Rate on Monitor
- How the movie/game was created
- What's going on at the time as frame rate won't be constant ...especially when it comes to games
- What part of the eye is taking in the information

Monitor response times is a completely separate issue and there is no industry standard on what they have to report. Many times if you see 2ms they are referring to G2G. (not to be confused with Good To Go) For monitors this response time means Gray To Gray. This is the quickest possible change a pixel can make and is usually what Monitors advertise as it makes them look good. The other response time is Active Black to Inactive White back to Active Black which is the slowest response time. Few companies advertise this, unless their monitor has a good response time. I find ViewSonic to be best with this but your mileage may vary.


I don't pretend to understand it all, but it is rather interesting to read about.
 
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Apples and oranges!

You need to be carefull when you mention screen performance times. Some LCD makers say they have a 2ms LCD but that is grey to grey and not black to black, the same LCD may have a 5ms black to black time. When it comes to LCDs you need to do LOADS of research before you buy. I have a BenQ 24" HD and it works great for everthing I do. I don't play games, so this monitor that I think is the absolute bee's knees is probably cr@p in your eyes. I used to have a 17" Viewsonic that cost almost R6k (in 2002) and my gaming buddies told me it's the best LCD they have ever played on.

If you get blur, you screen is to slow. Sorry. :(
 
IRG said:
Go read this .... http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm

also from OverclockersClub...

What you see is limited to your Monitor refresh rate. So if your system is capable of producing 100 FPS on Bioshock but your Monitor is refreshing @ 60Hz than you are only seeing 60 FPS. This is true whether not Vertical Sync is enabled or not - only difference is with it enabled all the xtra frames are dropped completely. With it not enabled your video card can render them as fast as it can, but you're still going to be limited to your Monitor's refresh rate.

Far as what the human eye can see... well that one is still one big mystery as there are way too many variables that cloud the issue. Supposedly it is 60 FPS and the industry strives between 30 and 60, but the human eye interpets light and images in different ways. So the answer to the question is it limited to 60 FPS - is... yes, no and maybe so.

So it appears it depends on:
- Refresh Rate on Monitor
- How the movie/game was created
- What's going on at the time as frame rate won't be constant ...especially when it comes to games
- What part of the eye is taking in the information

Monitor response times is a completely separate issue and there is no industry standard on what they have to report. Many times if you see 2ms they are referring to G2G. (not to be confused with Good To Go) For monitors this response time means Gray To Gray. This is the quickest possible change a pixel can make and is usually what Monitors advertise as it makes them look good. The other response time is Active Black to Inactive White back to Active Black which is the slowest response time. Few companies advertise this, unless their monitor has a good response time. I find ViewSonic to be best with this but your mileage may vary.


I don't pretend to understand it all, but it is rather interesting to read about.
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Lol..ya i dont understand much of it at the end,, but the part where it says 60hz refresh rate catches me abit, my CRT can only support 60hz, not sure what the LCD was set on, the frames i get in battlefield 2 are well over 100fps. So it sounds like to me that my game is actually running on 60 and not 100. WOW.....maybe i should test with a higher refresh rate and i'll come back to okes.
 
MadMailMan said:
Apples and oranges!

You need to be carefull when you mention screen performance times. Some LCD makers say they have a 2ms LCD but that is grey to grey and not black to black, the same LCD may have a 5ms black to black time. When it comes to LCDs you need to do LOADS of research before you buy. I have a BenQ 24" HD and it works great for everthing I do. I don't play games, so this monitor that I think is the absolute bee's knees is probably cr@p in your eyes. I used to have a 17" Viewsonic that cost almost R6k (in 2002) and my gaming buddies told me it's the best LCD they have ever played on.

If you get blur, you screen is to slow. Sorry. :(
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So why does it seem so fast on my 60 hz CRt screen and not on the LCD,,,BTW what response time do CRT's actually come with on average screen, i never saw them advertize that on a CRT
 
I think a lot will depend on the individual. I can notice the difference between a CRT of 60hz and 85hz; others can't....
 
Conradl said:
I think a lot will depend on the individual. I can notice the difference between a CRT of 60hz and 85hz; others can't....
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CRT's are a different animal to LCD's. I can also notice the difference on a CRT with regard to refresh rate, but as I mentioned you seriously cant see the difference between 2MS and 5MS on a LCD.
 
DJNgoma said:
+1
So people can't hear the high pitch sound, similar to the famous mosquito sound clip, from a CRT TV but I can.
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lol...so strange i can also hear it...once it made that sound on my cousins pc and he said he could'nt fix it. i changed the refresh rate and it went away he was like amased and thought i was pc boff. felt good for a few mins there..lol

so anyways 2ms and 5 ms is no real big difference. but from a CRT to a LCD there is.
 
i didn't notice a difference from going from 2ms (2253GW) to 5ms (2333SW)

As said before, its a marketing gimmick
 
I think it also has to do with the game video itself, and display settings, refresh rate.....
Quake 2 used to make me so naar! :D Even half hour play would make me so nausious, I'm sure it must have been the display/refresh settings, I can play many many FPS games for hours no problem, was just that game.
Then again, my buddy had no I'll effects, he enjoyed killing me off, while I felt like barfing :)
 
if all of u are saying a 5ms lcd is fine, then could something be wrong with mine? could it be faulty.

cause even if i take an open folder in windows and move it from left to right it blurs out and i cant really see the writing. i do that on the CRT and i can still read the words while its moving
 
wHiTe*LiGhTnInG said:
if all of u are saying a 5ms lcd is fine, then could something be wrong with mine? could it be faulty.

cause even if i take an open folder in windows and move it from left to right it blurs out and i cant really see the writing. i do that on the CRT and i can still read the words while its moving
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Could be, I assume you have the latest video drivers?

What LCD is it? What GFX card you running?
 
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