30fps is cinematic!

[SauRoNZA]

Something that I dont quite understand is that YouTube and game (cinematics) are perfectly fine on 60FPS but the second I try watch a movie on a TV with the high refresh rate processing feels super weird.

That’s because the movie is 24fps and not 60fps.

Then your TV goes and adds the extra frames and that’s why it feels weird.

If the movie is natively 60fps it’s just fine. Most YouTube videos are hence why they appear fine.

 

[Barbarian Conan]

That’s because the movie is 24fps and not 60fps.

Then your TV goes and adds the extra frames and that’s why it feels weird.

If the movie is natively 60fps it’s just fine. Most YouTube videos are hence why they appear fine.

An example of this please?

Almost all Youtube content I watch are the talking head stuff. I haven't seen anything that I would describe as "cinema quality".

 

[SauRoNZA]

An example of this please?

Almost all Youtube content I watch are the talking head stuff. I haven't seen anything that I would describe as "cinema quality".

Not understanding what you mean? What do you want an example of?

Talking heads you’d likely not notice soap opera effects in the first place anyway.

 

[Barbarian Conan]

Not understanding what you mean? What do you want an example of?

Talking heads you’d likely not notice soap opera effects in the first place anyway.

Of a video with the cinematic feel that runs at 60 fps on youtube.

You said "If the movie is natively 60fps it’s just fine. Most YouTube videos are hence why they appear fine."

I say talking head stuff will appear fine. Movies wont.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Of a video with the cinematic feel that runs at 60 fps on youtube.

You said "If the movie is natively 60fps it’s just fine. Most YouTube videos are hence why they appear fine."

I say talking head stuff will appear fine. Movies wont.

Sorry what I meant was 24fps videos playing at 60fps would be problematic (like when you have interpolation enabled on your TV).

But natively 60fps feeds from the source to the TV would be fine.

Same with a movie natively presented as 60fps from the source, instead of letting the TV add bullshit frames.

But yes on talking heads you won't really notice either way.

Simple example to see where 24fps can be quite bad is drone footage with massive panning areas, whereas those are perfectly smooth in 60fps.

 

[Barbarian Conan]

Sorry what I meant was 24fps videos playing at 60fps would be problematic (like when you have interpolation enabled on your TV).

But natively 60fps feeds from the source to the TV would be fine.

Same with a movie natively presented as 60fps from the source, instead of letting the TV add bullshit frames.

But yes on talking heads you won't really notice either way.

Simple example to see where 24fps can be quite bad is drone footage with massive panning areas, whereas those are perfectly smooth in 60fps.

OK, point taken.

I guess content shot in 60fps would look fine, but not as good as content shot in 24fps.
What looks good is subjective of course.

10 years ago when I was shopping for a TV, I saw the fancy new LED TV showing Avatar, and it looked different and amazing. Later I told people how real it looked.
Even later still, when I compared that interpolated look to scenes without it, I realized that while it looks more real, I don't like it. It does look like a cheap soap opera, and the more real looking motion in a way also made things look more fake?

Anyway, that's interpolated.

The Hobbit was shot in 60 FPS HFR, as seen here:

LOTR on the other hand is shot in 24fps:

Even though they were shot more than 10 years apart, I still prefer the look of LOTR. I like the lower shutter speed which causes the motion blur in movies like these.
Maybe other movies, like for example a Jet Lee movie where you really want to see the martial arts skill 60FPS would be better. For 90% of other content, no thanks.

As for games, until they get per object motion blur to look great (instead of the whole screen motion blur that is mostly used), 30fps does not look "cinematic". It just looks choppy.

 

[SauRoNZA]

OK, point taken.

I guess content shot in 60fps would look fine, but not as good as content shot in 24fps.
What looks good is subjective of course.

10 years ago when I was shopping for a TV, I saw the fancy new LED TV showing Avatar, and it looked different and amazing. Later I told people how real it looked.
Even later still, when I compared that interpolated look to scenes without it, I realized that while it looks more real, I don't like it. It does look like a cheap soap opera, and the more real looking motion in a way also made things look more fake?

Anyway, that's interpolated.

The Hobbit was shot in 60 FPS HFR, as seen here:

LOTR on the other hand is shot in 24fps:

Even though they were shot more than 10 years apart, I still prefer the look of LOTR. I like the lower shutter speed which causes the motion blur in movies like these.
Maybe other movies, like for example a Jet Lee movie where you really want to see the martial arts skill 60FPS would be better. For 90% of other content, no thanks.

As for games, until they get per object motion blur to look great (instead of the whole screen motion blur that is mostly used), 30fps does not look "cinematic". It just looks choppy.

Yeah it can be quite jarring at first and like you say depends on the content.

Also generally prefer 24fps but it can sometimes be very jarring as well with panning shots in documentaries and such across land scapes.

Always felt for cinema there is maybe a middle ground at 40fps or some such.