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Does 384 and 512 ADSL lines have latency difference ?

my 384 seems to be stuck at 390ms ping for international gaming, even using the unshaped account :confused: with the same account, my friends on 512 and 1m all seems to get much lower latency.

Any suggestion will be appreciated :p
 
Hi Undertaker

In our tests the difference was negligible, as long as it is from the same line as Arf9999 suggested.
 
Thanks for the quick reply :)

the ADSL was on different line, but my line have better SNR Margin and Line Attenuation (from the router info), is that the only factor that can cause latency or is there something else ?
 
rpm said:
Hi Undertaker

In our tests the difference was negligible, as long as it is from the same line as Arf9999 suggested.
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Apart from having to ask telkom to upgrade/downgrade the line every time you wanted to run at a different speed, how would one go about getting 3 different line speeds on the same line?
 
bwana v.9 said:
Apart from having to ask telkom to upgrade/downgrade the line every time you wanted to run at a different speed, how would one go about getting 3 different line speeds on the same line?
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lol, good point!

However, using Occam's razor, the simplest solution is usually the correct one. I would expect that the latency is more network related than account type related. So I would look at the network differences between the three accounts. It may be DSLAM or backbone related - maybe some problem at Undertaker'sr exchange?

@Undertaker: Have you done a traceroute to determine where the latency is occuring on the three accounts/ lines. By comparing them you may be able to get Telkom to check out your results, especially if your account is "unshaped".
 
arf9999

I have done the traceroute before, and it seems as soon to the point from telkom to US and in all US ip route my ping drops around high 3xx ms and sometimes went to 4xx and 5xx, where my friends lines stay below 300 ms.

but, will telkom react to latency problem like this :confused:
 
Can you get your friends to do a traceroute at the same time as you for comparison? That way you have some ammunition. Are you sure that the account is in fact unshaped? Shaping will effect that exact hop AFAIK (telkom to US).
 
I am very sure the account is unshaped, with normal saix account I will normally get 500ms + ping on the same server.

We did do traceroute at the same time and that's the result we get, I get about extra 80ms or so latency
 
Give me the ip adress and I'll tracert on a SAIX shaped a/c on DSL384 for comparison if you like...
 
Edited to add : 192k connection.

my shaped account :

3 29 ms 35 ms 24 ms rndf-ip-er-2-fe-9-1-1-612.telkom-ipnet.co.za [196.43.23.137]
4 367 ms 361 ms 363 ms ash-ip-dir-equinix-pos-6-1.telkom-ipnet.co.za [196.43.9.146]
5 537 ms 367 ms 428 ms 12.117.208.5
6 401 ms 376 ms 370 ms 12.123.8.54
7 363 ms 363 ms 362 ms gar1-p360.abnva.ip.att.net [12.123.217.18]
8 368 ms 362 ms 362 ms 12.119.141.58
9 371 ms 374 ms 359 ms 159.153.224.222
10 365 ms 360 ms 363 ms fert03.abn-iad.ea.com [159.153.224.227]
11 368 ms 374 ms 375 ms 159.153.233.59
 
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I know it says 384/512...but here's my 192k ( shaped ) for comparison too:

Tracing route to 159.153.233.59 over a maximum of 30 hops

1 * * * Request timed out.
2 17 ms 17 ms 17 ms dsl-146-64-01.telkomadsl.co.za [165.146.64.1]
3 16 ms 30 ms 19 ms rrba-ip-er-1-fe-3-0-0-1.telkom-ipnet.co.za [196.43.10.145]
4 344 ms 345 ms 343 ms ash-ip-dir-equinix-pos-6-1.telkom-ipnet.co.za [196.43.9.146]
5 346 ms 345 ms 342 ms 12.117.208.5
6 354 ms 350 ms 350 ms 12.123.8.54
7 349 ms 345 ms 345 ms gar1-p360.abnva.ip.att.net [12.123.217.18]
8 344 ms 343 ms 345 ms 12.119.141.58
9 346 ms 345 ms 346 ms 159.153.224.222
10 345 ms 346 ms 345 ms fert03.abn-iad.ea.com [159.153.224.227]
11 349 ms 348 ms 347 ms 159.153.233.59


- Polygon
 
Btw : the bandwidth of your connection, assuming it's all open, should not at all change the response times of the pings.

Another important question : How close are you to your friends, geographically speaking?
 
Thanks guys :)

Xarog, 1 is abt 5km another 1 is abt 10km away from me, so we in same town, but different suburb and exchange.

I am basically getting worse ping than Polygon with an SAOL UNSHAPED ACCOUNT, or is it SAOL account's problem (I assume all SAIX reseller account gives the same result), my SHAPPED account gives me a ping of 500ms+ once goes to international.

From the feedback of Polygon and Xarog, my ADSL looks awful ><
 
That's the traceroute I did just now, it's actually the best score I've ever had over my SHAPED account

Tracing route to 159.153.233.59 over a maximum of 30 hops

1 83 ms 92 ms 93 ms dsl-146-0-01.telkomadsl.co.za [165.146.0.1]
2 93 ms 93 ms 93 ms rndf-ip-er-2-fe-12-0-0-611.telkom-ipnet.co.za [1
96.43.10.5]
3 421 ms 421 ms 421 ms ash-ip-dir-equinix-pos-6-1.telkom-ipnet.co.za [1
96.43.9.146]
4 421 ms 406 ms 421 ms 12.117.208.5
5 421 ms 421 ms 421 ms 12.123.8.54
6 421 ms 421 ms 421 ms gar1-p360.abnva.ip.att.net [12.123.217.18]
7 421 ms 421 ms 421 ms 12.119.141.58
8 412 ms 421 ms 421 ms 159.153.224.222
9 421 ms 421 ms 421 ms fert03.abn-iad.ea.com [159.153.224.227]
10 421 ms 421 ms 421 ms 159.153.233.59
 
Here is the result from my UNSHAPED account, just to add to the info, with the SHAPED account just now, I got a ping of 500ms in game, and the UNSHAPED this time I got a ping of 390ms in game.

Tracing route to 159.153.233.59 over a maximum of 30 hops

1 83 ms 93 ms 93 ms dsl-165-4-01.telkomadsl.co.za [165.165.4.1]
2 93 ms 93 ms 93 ms rndf-ip-er-2-fe-9-1-1-612.telkom-ipnet.co.za [19
6.43.23.137]
3 328 ms 327 ms 327 ms ash-ip-dir-equinix-pos-6-1.telkom-ipnet.co.za [1
96.43.9.146]
4 328 ms 327 ms 327 ms 12.117.208.5
5 343 ms 343 ms 343 ms 12.122.81.250
6 327 ms 328 ms 327 ms gar1-p360.abnva.ip.att.net [12.123.217.18]
7 328 ms 327 ms 327 ms 12.119.141.58
8 328 ms 327 ms 327 ms 159.153.224.222
9 327 ms 327 ms 327 ms fert03.abn-iad.ea.com [159.153.224.227]
10 328 ms 327 ms 328 ms 159.153.233.59

from all the test I've done, the latency never goes below 390ms in game with an Unshaped and 500ms with a Shaped account.
 
sorry for delay... here is my 384 shaped version:


Tracing route to 159.153.233.50 over a maximum of 30 hops

1 12 ms 3 ms 2 ms *my router*
2 16 ms 22 ms 16 ms dsl-146-0-01.telkomadsl.co.za [165.146.0.1]
3 17 ms 16 ms 16 ms rndf-ip-er-2-fe-12-0-0-611.telkom-ipnet.co.za [1
96.43.10.5]
4 343 ms 345 ms 341 ms ash-ip-dir-equinix-pos-6-1.telkom-ipnet.co.za [1
96.43.9.146]
5 344 ms 344 ms 343 ms 12.117.208.5
6 348 ms 350 ms 350 ms 12.123.8.54
7 344 ms 346 ms 345 ms gar1-p360.abnva.ip.att.net [12.123.217.18]
8 345 ms 343 ms 343 ms 12.119.141.58
9 345 ms 385 ms 404 ms 159.153.224.222
10 344 ms 344 ms 344 ms fert03-eqx-iad.ea.com [159.153.224.227]
11 345 ms 345 ms 344 ms 159.153.233.50
 
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Hi

As Undertaker mentioned "my friend" and thats me :p
I'm running on 1m line and here is my trace ping.

SAOL 10gb Shaped Account
Tracing route to 159.153.233.59 over a maximum of 30 hops

1 50 ms 46 ms 46 ms dsl-146-0-01.telkomadsl.co.za [165.146.0.1]
2 46 ms 46 ms 46 ms rndf-ip-er-2-fe-12-0-1-610.telkom-ipnet.co.za [196.43.10.181]
3 374 ms 374 ms 374 ms ash-ip-dir-equinix-pos-6-1.telkom-ipnet.co.za [196.43.9.146]
4 374 ms 374 ms 374 ms 12.117.208.5
5 374 ms 374 ms 374 ms 12.122.81.250
6 374 ms 374 ms 374 ms gar1-p360.abnva.ip.att.net [12.123.217.18]
7 374 ms 374 ms 374 ms 12.119.141.58
8 374 ms 374 ms 374 ms 159.153.224.222
9 374 ms 374 ms 374 ms fert03-eqx-iad.ea.com [159.153.224.227]
10 374 ms 374 ms 374 ms 159.153.233.59


Telkomsa 3gb Shaped Account
Tracing route to 159.153.233.59 over a maximum of 30 hops

1 46 ms 46 ms 46 ms dsl-146-0-01.telkomadsl.co.za [165.146.0.1]
2 46 ms 46 ms 46 ms rndf-ip-er-2-fe-12-0-1-610.telkom-ipnet.co.za [196.43.10.181]
3 374 ms 374 ms 374 ms ash-ip-dir-equinix-pos-6-1.telkom-ipnet.co.za [196.43.9.146]
4 374 ms 374 ms 374 ms 12.117.208.5
5 374 ms 374 ms 374 ms 12.123.8.54
6 374 ms 374 ms 374 ms gar1-p360.abnva.ip.att.net [12.123.217.18]
7 374 ms * 374 ms 12.119.141.58
8 374 ms 374 ms 374 ms 159.153.224.222
9 374 ms 374 ms 374 ms fert03-eqx-iad.ea.com [159.153.224.227]
10 374 ms 374 ms 374 ms 159.153.233.59

SAOL 1gb Unshaped Account
Tracing route to 159.153.233.59 over a maximum of 30 hops

1 46 ms 46 ms 46 ms dsl-165-4-01.telkomadsl.co.za [165.165.4.1]
2 46 ms 46 ms 46 ms rndf-ip-er-2-fe-9-1-1-612.telkom-ipnet.co.za [196.43.23.137]
3 296 ms 296 ms 296 ms ash-ip-dir-equinix-pos-6-1.telkom-ipnet.co.za [196.43.9.146]
4 296 ms 296 ms 296 ms 12.117.208.5
5 296 ms 296 ms 296 ms 12.122.81.250
6 296 ms 296 ms 296 ms gar1-p360.abnva.ip.att.net [12.123.217.18]
7 296 ms 296 ms 296 ms 12.119.141.58
8 296 ms 296 ms 296 ms 159.153.224.222
9 296 ms 296 ms 296 ms fert03-eqx-iad.ea.com [159.153.224.227]
10 296 ms 296 ms 296 ms 159.153.233.59


Any ideas why me and Undertaker got different latency?
As we are running on the same unshaped account.
 
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