50 Reasons To Avoid The E-Toll System...

Does anybody know what will happen if you enter the toll-road and go through a gantry, then take the next off-ramp before the next gantry and go the backroads. If you rejoin the freeway further down the freeway, will it automatically assume that you exited, or that there was a problem with your e-tag? And how could they prove their case without manually going through the cameras? There exists an opportunity here to query each and every charge that you receive, to their detriment...
 
Garyvdh said:
All other public toll roads (previously erected in SA) provide a clearly designated and marked Alternative Route (which was in existence before the Toll Road was built). In those cases you are not forced to use the Toll Road, but in the case of Gauteng, no alternative routes are provided, and what was once a public road has now been restricted, thereby violating the constitution.
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I'm convinced...
 
Garyvdh said:
All other public toll roads (previously erected in SA) provide a clearly designated and marked Alternative Route (which was in existence before the Toll Road was built). In those cases you are not forced to use the Toll Road, but in the case of Gauteng, no alternative routes are provided, and what was once a public road has now been restricted, thereby violating the constitution.
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That was my understanding too. You are paying for the conveniance and supposedly rapid access on the toll roads but the old main highways are still in place which can be used.
 
DJ... said:
Does anybody know what will happen if you enter the toll-road and go through a gantry, then take the next off-ramp before the next gantry and go the backroads. If you rejoin the freeway further down the freeway, will it automatically assume that you exited, or that there was a problem with your e-tag? And how could they prove their case without manually going through the cameras? There exists an opportunity here to query each and every charge that you receive, to their detriment...
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Each Gantry covers a certain designated section of the Road. You will only be charged for each Gantry that your vehicle passes under. There is no calculation of route from Gantry to Gantry. Each one operates independently.
 
DJ... said:
Does anybody know what will happen if you enter the toll-road and go through a gantry, then take the next off-ramp before the next gantry and go the backroads. If you rejoin the freeway further down the freeway, will it automatically assume that you exited, or that there was a problem with your e-tag? And how could they prove their case without manually going through the cameras? There exists an opportunity here to query each and every charge that you receive, to their detriment...
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You don't need to go through two gantries for it to calculate tolls due. Each gantry has its own amount that will be charged. The entire "per km" thing is actually ridiculous, as its merely an estimate of what each gantry will bill. They should rather focus on advising what you will pay at each gantry so that people can make more informed decisions.
 
Kosmik said:
That was my understanding too. You are paying for the conveniance and supposedly rapid access on the toll roads but the old main highways are still in place which can be used.
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All that they have done is monetised a public asset...
 
NEMA is the National Environmental Management Act. Judge Bert Bam of the North Gauteng High Court ruled that SANRAL had failed to comply with it. Sanral argued that NEMA did not cover toll gates, an argument they unsuccesfully attempted to apeal. This means that they did not bother to check ALL gantries in GP to see if they conformed to NEMA, making them ALL potentiallyt illegal, not only the Centurion gantry
 
1) Fines won't be sent out via registered post like it's legally required to prove that the person received the letter. Instead the onus is on you to present yourself to a e-toll office within 7 days and pay any outstanding amounts.

2) The addresses on the ENATIS system are outdated and the vast majority of them are invalid. They won't be able to send out the fines to the correct owners, so a hand-full of people will have to pay for the majority. Just like income tax...

3) Several laws now have to be changed just to allow them to use the AARTO act and criminal procedure act to prosecute offenders. The alternative was to simply ring-fence the fuel tax in the national budget, this would have been so much simpler and would have not required any law changes.

4) The onus is on you to prove that your vehicle did not go through the gantry. How could you possibly prove that? The onus should be on them to confirm that it really was your vehicle and not a cloned license plate.
 
DJ... said:
Hold the phone for just a second here. The GFIP was intended for 585km of improvements, yet only 185km have been completed. All other construction/development has been shelved, yet the PIC has already lent Sanral R17bn, and a few other investors make up the difference. This means that we as taxpayers will be doing one of two things:

1 - we pay the interest on these loans that will never be used
2 - the cost of these improvement just shot up from R35m/km to R108m/km. Yes, million...
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>insert swear words< :mad:
 
The E-tolling systems will severely impact Education as well. Students (or their parents) who commute to WITS, UJ, University of Pretoria and other schools and Technikons will be hit hard by Toll fees!
 
How about some suggestions as to where and who you guys think this should be sent to? AA, NCC, consumer groups etc?
 
Garyvdh said:
The E-tolling systems will severely impact Education as well. Students (or their parents) who commute to WITS, UJ, University of Pretoria and other schools and Technikons will be hit hard by Toll fees!
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A student without a bank account (poorer students) and those who do not want an e-tag will have to fork out up to R1,300.00 per month just for the luxury of using the road to get to uni...:mad:
 
DJ - one point to consider.

There is NO viable public transport system available at the moment. The Gautrain's coverage area is too small at the moment, and it doesn't count as viable yet.

Most of us doesn't want to use taxis for obvious reasons.

And buses? The coverage is just as poor.

Whoever said we must use the gautrain or pay tolls need a massive PK.
 
Consumers are concerned that this is just the first of many steps that the government are taking to monetise and seize control of our public and private assets.
 
The_Librarian said:
Whoever said we must use the gautrain or pay tolls need a massive PK.
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+1. The immediate Sandton area is wonderful for the Gautrain as the Gautrain buses go past most of the businesses there. In Pretoria a fair amount of area is covered by the buses picking up passengers.... but unfortunately if you're out of those pickup/drop areas with no viable transport arrangement, you're stuffed.
 
#47 - No option of rolling fee - time of day ( after business hours) or day of week (Public holidays etc)

#48 - No Loyalty programs and other discounts

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Loyalty programs and other discounts. With the introduction of electronic tolling systems this sort of commercial action has been more feasible. Where the private sector are involved however the concession arrangements must allow for toll variations. On the M5 in Hungary a whole program of discounts has been introduced with:

40 percent reductions for regular users,

20 percent reductions for fleet owners,

20 percent reductions for local residents,

vouchers for users of the Southern Food Market in Budapest paid for by the Food Market at 30 to 40 percent discounts,

20 percent reductions for agricultural producers in the four counties around the road, and

20 percent discounts on monthly tickets for car-pools (4-passenger).
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http://www.worldbank.org/transport/roads/toll_rds.htm
 
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50 - It sets a bad precedent. If the current toll system turns into the corrupt cash-cow they want then they will start tolling every highway, road and back alley they can. We need to nip this **** in the bud.
 
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