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Kosmik
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A student without a bank account (poorer students) and those who do not want an e-tag will have to fork out up to R1,300.00 per month just for the luxury of using the road to get to uni...
I thought there was a usage payment limit of R500?
The hypothetical kid in question doesn't have an e-tag...
Kosmik
Honorary Master
Oh, the R500 only applies to E-tags? Sheesh.
Species8472
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Soooo, only 48 reasons? 
"A fair amount of area" is one massive over statement.
Pretoria East is not covered at all except for Menlyn which is a long way from places like Elarduspark, Moreleta Park, Mooikloof, Silver Lakes, Garsfontein, etc.
What is even worse is that if you live in any of those places the pickup point at Menlyn will take you to the Hatfield Station instead of the Centurion station which makes the journey much longer and far more expensive.
i.e. Hatfield -> Pretoria -> Centurion -> Midrand
instead of Centurion -> Midrand
Okay fine.... Pta east up to Louis Botha.... Further than that I can somewhat understand since the bus-transit time will start getting lengthy, although yes, they should make a plan. Their excuse will be "use the municipal busses".
To be technical, East of Hans Strijdom is out of Pretoria.
Juice
Expert Member
Here's two more:
1) By sending you a bill for using the road, SANRAL would be considered to be an Incidental Credit Provider according to the National Credit Act and as such should be subject to all of the provisions of the act that applies to Incidental Credit Providers, such as:
- being prevented from handing you over for legal action prior to 90 days
- charging penalty fees and interest in excess of the original amount owed
2) e-tolling is extremely discriminatory in its applicability and another vehicle to tax the haves to pay for the have-nots
Juice
1) By sending you a bill for using the road, SANRAL would be considered to be an Incidental Credit Provider according to the National Credit Act and as such should be subject to all of the provisions of the act that applies to Incidental Credit Providers, such as:
- being prevented from handing you over for legal action prior to 90 days
- charging penalty fees and interest in excess of the original amount owed
2) e-tolling is extremely discriminatory in its applicability and another vehicle to tax the haves to pay for the have-nots
Juice
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
Points 40 and 43 should probable be merged together.
Although they refer to a similar problem area, I think they identify two separate issues stemming from it...
Jola
Honorary Master
It is going to be extremely difficult if not impossible to go to a payment centre within 7 days to pay your toll fee, and there is no provision for being able to call up your fees for the last 7 days online so that you can make an online payment. As someone who will not buy an e-tag this is an essential requirement for the system to function, yet no provision has been made for this.
Let's say you want to head off for two weeks away and happen to take the Atlas Rd offramp on the N12 to reach your destination. The moment you pass through Atlas, you then have to travel all the way through to the other side of Benoni to Northmead Mall to pay your "fee/fine" and then back the whole length of Benoni into Boksburg just to get back to the point at which you can continue with your journey. It is absolutely pathetic. The same problem arises if you're heading off on holiday anywhere outside of Gauteng...
Jola
Honorary Master
Exactly, it is a major flaw which should be corrected before the system is implemented (if at all).
If they want to go fancy electronic then they have to go the whole hog - I want to be able to call up all my toll fees within 24 hours (or sooner) of incurring them (by car registration), and be able to pay them by EFT.
Then I can also see whether any invalid transactions have gone through.
If they want to go fancy electronic then they have to go the whole hog - I want to be able to call up all my toll fees within 24 hours (or sooner) of incurring them (by car registration), and be able to pay them by EFT.
Then I can also see whether any invalid transactions have gone through.
Just a quick update to this one:
One of two things are happening here - either the cost per kilometre just skyrocketed to R108 million (that's per km) or we are forking out an additional R1.9 billion per annum in interest alone, on bonds that will never be used. Either way, it is an insane amount of money that has been wasted. Another issue is that 80c of ever R1 earned will be going overseas to Kapsch Sweden (who have admitted their involvement in paying bribes to officials also involved in this GFIP project through SANIP during the arms deal) and therefore the financial incentive is not the government's to be had.
Here's what has happened, in a nutshell:
The pensioners of GEPF (Government Employee Pension Fund) have bankrolled a project because the private sector refused to do so (they obviously saw the issues in the bond prospectus from the outset);
which has turned out to be an excuse to funnel 80% of all revenue to an overseas company who have admitted fraud, corruption and bribery in the arms deal;
which we as taxpayers now have to repay the full R35bn in bonds/loans, on improvements that should have been paid for from the road maintenance fund which has been proven to be looted to the tune of about R10bn already by government employees who were never taken to court over it;
in a project where the figures already do not add up as the costs have increased to R108million/km;
or we're paying R1.9bn in unnecessary interest each year on bonds that will never be used, or they squandered the additional capital for the full 585km project in under 200km;
(it's important to remember here that government money is moving from one government entity to another here - GEPF loans cash - SANRAL pays them interest each year and the full loan amount at the end of the bond term - doesn't sound right, does it?)
all the while government threatens its citizens at every opportunity, and are attempting to change laws to criminalise non-payment, while squandering more money in legal defence of this very issue;
all the while sacrificing our government debt rating on this one single project;
and backing localised inflation increases which will trickle into the greater economy.
It is ridiculous and cannot be allowed to go ahead. For those of you outside of Gauteng, please note that this severely affects you too - this is not an isolated Gauteng issue...
TK-Sp3cialiSt
Active Member
Complaint(possibly number 50) - The cost of basic food items will increase due to companies being charged for delivery cost....bread, milk and maize meal included....
ChocolateBadger
Expert Member
That actually makes me think. Its bad for eyes to be exposed to UV lighting for a long period of time. So say now you're are stuck in traffic and stuck under one of those gantries?
patrick
Expert Member
The money goes to a government that wastes and steals.
TK-Sp3cialiSt
Active Member
I even wonder if they have done any research into the risk of someone having an epileptic fit(as a driver or passenger) while driving under the gantry
Skywalker42
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Add to point 41:
The e-Tolling system also violates Article 13.1 of the International Declaration of Human Rights:
Article 13.
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
The e-Tolling system also violates Article 13.1 of the International Declaration of Human Rights:
Article 13.
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
What changed? you still have right to freedom of movement but only have to pay them for the service to collect money.
