8 name changes for Cape roads

If we're going to be pedantic, there are some who will argue there is no race, just homo sapiens sapiens.

When we talk about the jews we know exactly who we are referring to.

Shall we entire a discussion on whether 'white' is a race ?

For what it's worth, I've been on this forum for a good many years - and have learnt that those who believe they are here to 'educate us' seldom do.

It's really not clever or mature to ridicule everyone with a different opinion. Nobody is right 100% of the time even if they think they are.
 
If we're going to be pedantic, there are some who will argue there is no race, just homo sapiens sapiens.

When we talk about the jews we know exactly who we are referring to.

Shall we entire a discussion on whether 'white' is a race ?

For what it's worth, I've been on this forum for a good many years - and have learnt that those who believe they are here to 'educate us' seldom do.

It's really not clever or mature to ridicule everyone with a different opinion. Nobody is right 100% of the time even if they think they are.

Who and when did I ridicule anyone? If I did respond to someone and it seemed like ridicule it was and is always because they threw the first shot.

Lol, as far as what you said about 'race' -- I will not personally waste my time discussing any of what you just said, completely pointless as those are things I think we all know.

With that said, lets get back to Jan Smuts and why he should never have a street named after him!
 
I am confused. Is your argument that Smuts did absolutely no good for the world, or that he was a racist and therefore it really doesn't matter what he did?

He was a racist and he is no hero, and should not have a statue or street(s) named after him.

You can include him in the local school books if he did any good for the majority of the people but he is no hero to the masses and right now, it's majority rules.

From what can I tell he was just another war mongerling racist twat, he was no architect, no scientist, no doctor just a war general. I respect NO war general of ANY army attached to ANY government as they are all war mongeling puppets who enjoy killing.

Him helping fight the Nazi is not enough to earn him a social hero status.
 
Jan Smuts was trying also to free Jews from mass genocide of Nazis. Does this make him a war mongerer? Remeber, that YOU not ME referred to Smuts as a war mongerer. Quite simply if Smuts was a war mongerer for opposing genocide, the surely BY THE SAME LOGIC, Mandela was also a war mongerer, both were trying to free people from Racist / anti-semite attitudes. Where is the difference? Good for the Goose / Good for the Gander.

Then lets get right back to Jan Smuts! Because the last few posts were literally getting personal lol ;)

Who and when did I ridicule anyone? If I did respond to someone and it seemed like ridicule it was and is always because they threw the first shot.

Lol, as far as what you said about 'race' -- I will not personally waste my time discussing any of what you just said, completely pointless as those are things I think we all know.

With that said, lets get back to Jan Smuts and why he should never have a street named after him!
Then answer the question. Let me repeat it for you: What is the difference between fighting against a genocide, where 7 million People (not blacks or whites because that doesn't matter) are killed, or fighting an oppressive regime, apart from the fact that the oppressive regime is the lesser of the two evils.

Then, explain why you are against JS, who as we have demonstrated on this forum was against both, even though, I can freely acknowledge, by today's standards, he would be regarded as a racist. As I have stated earlier, Lincoln, who paid with his life for the rights of black people would have been regarded as a racist by today's standards.

Quite frankly, I feel that I am wasting my time here, I seriously doubt you will give me an answer, as you have comprehensively failed to do that as yet. But, I live in hope that it will be possible to have a discussion.
 
Who and when did I ridicule anyone? If I did respond to someone and it seemed like ridicule it was and is always because they threw the first shot.

Lol, as far as what you said about 'race' -- I will not personally waste my time discussing any of what you just said, completely pointless as those are things I think we all know.

With that said, lets get back to Jan Smuts and why he should never have a street named after him!
Nobody can argue if you never concede and always pick out what to reply to.
 
He was a racist and he is no hero, and should not have a statue or street(s) named after him.

You can include him in the local school books if he did any good for the majority of the people but he is no hero to the masses and right now, it's majority rules.

From what can I tell he was just another war mongerling racist twat, he was no architect, no scientist, no doctor just a war general. I respect NO war general of ANY army attached to ANY government as they are all war mongeling puppets who enjoy killing.

Him helping fight the Nazi is not enough to earn him a social hero status.

OK, let me get this straight. The Nazi genocide was one of the biggest genocides in the history of man, BUT you don't think that counts. Oh wow! What is important to you.

Please let me be wrong about this, but I think you only regard black freedom as important and don't really care about freedom as a principle.

Ah, now I understand where your argument comes from. It is not a moral argument, it is purely a might is right argument. From your own statements, you have rubbished any moral highground you might have tried to maintain, from your statement: "It's majority rules". So you really don't care about history.

Your majority rules argument, can easily be extended. Majority rules in the US would easily allow for slavery, yet in that case, the majority choose to abandon it, because they belived in the Declaration of Independence of the US - a moral principle. If they believed only in majority rules in the US with no ethical backing, then slavery would still exist there.
Can you see how your own argument in this case becomes self-defeating?
 
I will sign off now. Quite simply because, I don't think you are here to have a discussion, VioAdmin. I think that your statement about majority rules sums up your argument, and you don't care about history or ethics. Your viewpoint can be used to justify any atrocity against a minority, and from your lack of regard for the genocide that happened in Europe, I don't think that you would be against a white genocide, indeed, you don't seem to regard it as important in history.

You have shown your hand and I can only hope that someone like you doesn't come into power in South Africa, because if that is the case, then the future indeed looks bleak.
 
Nobody can argue if you never concede and always pick out what to reply to.

How and why should I concede to such weak and false arguments? I have endlessly provided the answers for any and all questions that were relevant to this topic.

If you disagree, you are welcome to go through my posts and link me to where you think I am off/wrong or need to concede but am sorry, not 1 person here has said anything that can make anyone with common sense accept a blunt racist and pro-apartheid(or anti-apartheid but pro-segregation) twat like Jan Smut.
 
I will sign off now. Quite simply because, I don't think you are here to have a discussion, VioAdmin. I think that your statement about majority rules sums up your argument, and you don't care about history or ethics. Your viewpoint can be used to justify any atrocity against a minority, and from your lack of regard for the genocide that happened in Europe, I don't think that you would be against a white genocide, indeed, you don't seem to regard it as important in history.

You have shown your hand and I can only hope that someone like you doesn't come into power in South Africa, because if that is the case, then the future indeed looks bleak.

OK, let me get this straight. The Nazi genocide was one of the biggest genocides in the history of man, BUT you don't think that counts. Oh wow! What is important to you.

Please let me be wrong about this, but I think you only regard black freedom as important and don't really care about freedom as a principle.

Ah, now I understand where your argument comes from. It is not a moral argument, it is purely a might is right argument. From your own statements, you have rubbished any moral highground you might have tried to maintain, from your statement: "It's majority rules". So you really don't care about history.

Your majority rules argument, can easily be extended. Majority rules in the US would easily allow for slavery, yet in that case, the majority choose to abandon it, because they belived in the Declaration of Independence of the US - a moral principle. If they believed only in majority rules in the US with no ethical backing, then slavery would still exist there.
Can you see how your own argument in this case becomes self-defeating?

First of all if I came into power, I'd throw tons of funds into infrastructure and broadband, I mean A LOT. How can you not love me?

And in regard to the point you are trying to spray, I don't understand why you keep jumping to conclusion? Where and when did I say that the Genocide of the people in Europe was not a serious issue?

Of course it is but it was not attack based on race, it was an attack based on culture, ethnicity, religion, which is NOT THE SAME as race. I thought I said this at least 3 times but you keep asking the same irrelevant question.

Why ask questions you already know the answer too? I don't understand.

Then, explain why you are against JS, who as we have demonstrated on this forum was against both, even though, I can freely acknowledge, by today's standards, he would be regarded as a racist. As I have stated earlier, Lincoln, who paid with his life for the rights of black people would have been regarded as a racist by today's standards.

I have already answered this at least 10 times...Go back and re-read all my posts about JS and Lincoln. I have already covered these questions and Lincoln did not die for black people, who taught you this? Even when I was in the US no one said such a thing. The motive of Booth was more than just because of lincoln attempting to free slaves after 400 years of free labor. In one of my posts, I link to about.com that shows the top reasons of the civil war.

It seems like you simply were not here when I was discussing the very same things you keep asking and typing. It's a waste of both our times.

Your majority rules argument, can easily be extended. Majority rules in the US would easily allow for slavery, yet in that case, the majority choose to abandon it, because they belived in the Declaration of Independence of the US - a moral principle. If they believed only in majority rules in the US with no ethical backing, then slavery would still exist there.
Can you see how your own argument in this case becomes self-defeating?

Again, why are you jumping to conclusions? How and when do my posts counter your argument about ethics and morals? Please link me?

Once again, you are just stating things that EVERYONE here knows. The statement I just quoted of you is exactly what happened. What exactly can I argue about with you there?

The majority rule is not up to me or you and you should know by now people don't always make the best decisions regardless of the ethics or moral code because things like religion and plain stupidinity thanks to lack of education often and most likely cloud out the logical reasoning.

So even with your reasoning, you can't question me because I never made a statement against what you just typed.
 
Him helping fight the Nazi is not enough to earn him a social hero status.

You actually do not have the faintest idea how the world would have looked in the event of a Nazi victory do you?

I expect that the Battle of Britain is about to begin. Upon this battle depends the survival of Christian civilization. …...The whole fury and might of the enemy must very soon be turned on us now. Hitler knows that he will have to break us in this island or lose the war. …....But if we fail, then the whole world...........will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age, made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science. WINSTON CHURCHILL, June 18, 1940 before the Battle of Britain

Without the Royal Air Force, founded by Jan Smuts, Churchill's prediction above would have come true and YOU would not be here today.

Come to think of it, in a South Africa run by the Nazis the butchery and bloodshed would not have been much different to that caused by Tshaka and Dingaan.
 
You actually do not have the faintest idea how the world would have looked in the event of a Nazi victory do you?

Yet another one who jumps to conclusions without even a shed of a clue of what is going on. How does my statement show that I don't have an idea of what the world would like if the Nazi's won? How do you relate that statement and ask me that question? Who here doesn't have some sort of an idea what the world would be like if the Nazi's won? Who? You?

Without the Royal Air Force, founded by Jan Smuts, Churchill's prediction above would have come true and YOU would not be here today.

Come to think of it, in a South Africa run by the Nazis the butchery and bloodshed would not have been much different to that caused by Tshaka and Dingaan.

First of all, we ALL KNOW it was not Jan Smuts that *LEAD* to the downfall of the Nazi's. He was but a fraction of the Allies that used joint military support to take him down. If he died in a random accident like falling off the stairs and breaking back first then his neck, no one would give a **** because someone else would have stepped up and did his job. He was no special than the first whore he slept with.

Go anywhere else in the world, nobody knows this guy for his petty support as a general during the war(s), he is just known as another pointless backward thinking racist, even his Wikipedia account supports that, you can go read it yourself.

Nobody outside of cape town knows who this racist twat is.(lol I crack myself up)

And forget Churchill as well, to hell with him and his predictions. If SA was ran by Nazi's I wouldn't be here you are right, I'd be in the Islands, Haiti or Brazil plotting some assignation attempts at some Nazi's, and if Churchill was alive, id have assassinated him too, same with Jan Smuts. I don't understand the support for blunt racists, that shouldn't be accepted in this day and age lol.
 
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First of all, we ALL KNOW it was not Jan Smuts that *LEAD* to the downfall of the Nazi's. He was but a fraction of the Allies that used joint military support to take him down. If he died in a random accident like falling off the stairs and breaking back first then his neck, no one would give a **** because someone else would have stepped up and did his job. He was no special than the first whore he slept with.

Go anywhere else in the world, nobody knows this guy for his petty support as a general during the war(s), he is just known as another pointless backward thinking racist, even his Wikipedia account supports that, you can go read it yourself.

Nobody outside of cape town knows who this racist twat is.(lol I crack myself up)

And forget Churchill as well, to hell with him and his predictions. If SA was ran by Nazi's I wouldn't be here you are right, I'd be in the Islands, Haiti or Brazil plotting some assignation attempts at some Nazi's, and if Churchill was alive, id have assassinated him too, same with Jan Smuts. I don't understand the support for blunt racists, that shouldn't be accepted in this day and age lol.

Dude you harbor a lot of hatred. Shame.
 
I'm beginning to think he's had a sheltered upbringing weaned on revolutionary propaganda.

That; plus a huge chip on the shoulder caused by the bitter knowledge that 6000 years of early iron age stagnation cannot be upgraded in 143 years.
 
I also dislike the naming of streets to people. We should steer clear of such actions. Naming stuff after living people is equally stupid because their legacy is still not cemented.

Flora and Fauna as well as celestial names... Steer clear of people names especially politicians.
 
Dude you harbor a lot of hatred. Shame.
I hate racists and pointless war monglers, If people are going to be reading these MyBB threads, I will at least spread some real knowledge so that the Africans here know what is really going on. This is logical, why would I support someone who does not consider me an equal? As I said, I keep it real and I am glad you are noticing it, perhaps you have learned a thing or two.

Bantu education combined with ANCYL indroctrination.
There's plenty of those around.
I turned out just fine, how about you? Where did you get your education from, where do YOU live? lol, you can't even prove your points with me in this topic so this is the best response you have? It's best you let those who are capable, talk about important issues, you should just be quiet, patient and learn.

I'm beginning to think he's had a sheltered upbringing weaned on revolutionary propaganda.
You say that why? Because I have continually defused any and all of your pathetic arguments? It is not my fault that I have facts and you don't. I can bet you if we sat down and compared which one of our lives was 'sheltered' between me and you, you would without A shadow of a DOUBT, and I mean no doubt what-so-ever, it would be your life that would be that one sheltered. Have you even been outside your city or even outside your bedroom?

That; plus a huge chip on the shoulder caused by the bitter knowledge that 6000 years of early iron age stagnation cannot be upgraded in 143 years.

What huge chip on my shoulder? Evidence? Link to post? Picture? Video? I am just real but it's funny that after I slam you guys with the truth, the ones that get their feelings hurt always and I mean always resort to insults when they have been proven wrong. Lol, sucks to lose it seems, don't hate me kid, educate yourself and come after me again.
 
I hate racists and pointless war monglers, If people are going to be reading these MyBB threads, I will at least spread some real knowledge so that the Africans here know what is really going on. This is logical, why would I support someone who does not consider me an equal? As I said, I keep it real and I am glad you are noticing it, perhaps you have learned a thing or two.


I turned out just fine, how about you? Where did you get your education from, where do YOU live? lol, you can't even prove your points with me in this topic so this is the best response you have? It's best you let those who are capable, talk about important issues, you should just be quiet, patient and learn.


You say that why? Because I have continually defused any and all of your pathetic arguments? It is not my fault that I have facts and you don't. I can bet you if we sat down and compared which one of our lives was 'sheltered' between me and you, you would without A shadow of a DOUBT, and I mean no doubt what-so-ever, it would be your life that would be that one sheltered. Have you even been outside your city or even outside your bedroom?



What huge chip on my shoulder? Evidence? Link to post? Picture? Video? I am just real but it's funny that after I slam you guys with the truth, the ones that get their feelings hurt always and I mean always resort to insults when they have been proven wrong. Lol, sucks to lose it seems, don't hate me kid, educate yourself and come after me again.

So you think you are not a racist?
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