80gig You Are Disgusting

HellTel said:
Guys, if the ISP's have the choice to use or not use the cap policy then what the hell are we getting so uptight about? why are we not going back to momma (Telkom) .... at least they will not cap us ... ahhhh you see .. but in my eyes there is what you call "the principal of the matter" .. Telkom has been taking from me all this time and I will do everything to keep away from them till .. the day .. SNO comes into the picture ....
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Do the ISP's have a choice...perhaps someone can clarify this for us?
 
garp said:
It's not that some folks choose to abuse the system or not. I reckon ADSL users fall into three categories:

1. Businesses using dsl for everything from basic connectivity to hosting their email server and corporate website(s), VOIP and VPN's and are just trying to operate an competitive internet connected business for the lowest possible expense.
2. Heavy technically oriented private users who download games, videos, music, use p2p apps, skype, play online, stream media, etc.
3. The affluent guy/gal/family who wants permanently online internet as it's the latest thing and who really only ever use it for email and browsing.

I really don't think there is a defined group of users out there who set out to "steal" as much bandwidth as possible as an end in itself. They're all just trying to accomplish something else primarily, and if they find a way of using more than 3GB, I doubt they give a damn about some technicality on Telkom's part about the quantity of electrons they can get through their modem in a month.
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Garp bit bonkie...

Well said
 
fivelza .. here is an extract from an e mail I got from a Telkom official on why was I capped ....

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Any rate, Telkom SAIX introduced a usage based service to all ISP's from 1 November. What it means that we ISP's no longer buy 3 GB accounts but receive a usage bill from Telkom SAIX. The ISP can then manage the relationship with their subscribers as they see fit. Most ISP's have chosen a hard cap policy based on the 3 GB service and then charge for any additional traffic over and above the initial service.

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HellTel said:
fivelza .. here is an extract from an e mail I got from a Telkom official on why was I capped ....

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Any rate, Telkom SAIX introduced a usage based service to all ISP's from 1 November. What it means that we ISP's no longer buy 3 GB accounts but receive a usage bill from Telkom SAIX. The ISP can then manage the relationship with their subscribers as they see fit. Most ISP's have chosen a hard cap policy based on the 3 GB service and then charge for any additional traffic over and above the initial service.

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Thanks Helltel....clarifies a lot of things ;)
 
Slooth said:
Thanks bwana, read it through...
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No worries - just my interpretation of what their doing.

Its going to spell trouble for the smaller ISP who cant risk the system not working and therefore stick with the old model.
 
I would not go so far as to say that ISP's have the choice of capping or not. It all boils down to economies, whereas Telkom has access to an enormous amount of bandwidth, other ISP's are forced to pay for each Gigabyte, and at Telkom's price. This does not put the ISP's in the same category as Telkom, nor is it an attempt to flay the public for profit (in most cases).

Simply put, while Telkom is sitting in the thrown, they will always dictate the terms, and other ISP's will play second fiddle. If the playing fields were level, and there was fair and equal competition in the industry, Telkom would not be able to survive. It is only under the protective blanket of government that they can get away with such practices, and revel in being the clowns that they are in a market related industry, which now bears no resemblance to a capitalism.
 
80 GB is not enough helltel.... anyone who thinks so has been brainwashed.
 
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[email protected] said:
I would not go so far as to say that ISP's have the choice of capping or not. It all boils down to economies, whereas Telkom has access to an enormous amount of bandwidth, other ISP's are forced to pay for each Gigabyte, and at Telkom's price. This does not put the ISP's in the same category as Telkom, nor is it an attempt to flay the public for profit (in most cases).

Simply put, while Telkom is sitting in the throne, they will always dictate the terms, and other ISP's will play second fiddle. If the playing fields were level, and there was fair and equal competition in the industry, Telkom would not be able to survive. It is only under the protective blanket of government that they can get away with such practices, and revel in being the clowns that they are in a market related industry, which now bears no resemblance to a capitalism.
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Well said!

(spelling mistake corrected in case it was unclear to someone ;))
 
New Internationsl Bandwidth Connection

This calculation was done using (sorry forgot the originators users name) 50:1 contention rate, with the new cable being financed by World Bank...

1Mbps=$1000
50:1=$20
$20=R130/1Mbps/50:1/Uncapped/Unshaped
25% markup Telkom/SNO=R162.50
25% markup ISP + 14% VAT = R232 per month

ie.

1Mbps/50:1/Uncapped/Unshaped: R232 per month
512Kbps/50:1/Uncapped/Unshaped: R116 per month

Hypothetically:

Let's say Telkom (remain and do) charge (a reasonable, lets meet them half way)for the ADSL connection:
2Mbps:R175
1Mbps:R150
512Kbps:R125

Average price in UK: 1Mbps, Uncapped, Unshaped: R288 per month.

Reasonable Telkom+ISP charge:
1Mbps, Uncapped, Unshaped
R232+R150=R382 per month

Oh and an insider in Telkom tells me that they only utilise 35% of their international bandwidth. So there is a **** load of space left.
And.....15% of that is utilised as VOIP for their international calls!!!

:D
 
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Hey guys,

This post does not exactly fit into the topic, but the thought occured to me while reading through this post, where the forumites started explaining how telkom could implement a system where some users can download 80 gig. (the system being where people will start being capped only when the average usage reaches 3 gig).

I am also not sure if my facts is 100% correct, but that is how I came to understand them through reading various posts here on myadsl.co.za .

As I understand it,Telkom keeps claiming that TelkomISP is not really part of the actual "Telkom" company. But, when you order your ADSL from Telkom, they ask you in the end if you want to join TelkomISP and mention all their nice packages which sound very promising at the time, but as we all know, are not.

Isn't it also very unfair that they can promote "TelkomISP" like that then? I mean, I distinctively remember while I applied for my drivers license, when you ask the lady whom you "order" a testdate from, of who is the best driving school teacher is (as there are loads of businesscards at the entrance of the building giving you numbers of various driving schools). Their reply to that is that they are definately not allowed to give their opinion on the matter. Telkom being the traffic department, and all other ISP's (inlcuding TelkomISP) being the driving schools.

Get my drift?

I just think it is unfair aswell that telkom can implement such a promising system, since most "uneducated" ADSL subscribers would probably never know of anything else than TelkomISP, thus making it even more difficult for isp's to participate.

I am not sure if I explained my point corect. Let me know where I can clarify.
Also, please excuse all my spelling and grammar mistakes, as I am in a hurry (as I see alot of you enjoy correcting other people).

Regards,
 
Twenty years ago a floppy held 250kb...it was awsome !, 10 years ago a stiffy held 1,44 mb..it was incridible, 5 years ago a pc had a 10gb hdd. today 160hdd is too small.

So if intel and others are making faster, bigger chips, the www growing everyday, pc's getting faster....then why is slokom stuck in 1992. Why can't we download 500gigs if we want, I'll tell you why, because we have **** technology were conecting to.

Slowkom, its time to upgrade, if the demand is so high for gigs then make it happen or stay stuck in the past!

Why not a www just for Africa if you claim to be the leaders or is that why your ads show a guy getting into gemini rocket from the 60's.!!

Check this out if you don't believe were in the stix: http://www.adsl4home.co.uk/
 
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beattheban said:
No Slooth, it is you that has been brainwashed into believing that bandwidth is fee/ ultra cheap. There is lots of it, but it comes at a price. wake up.
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Yeah Slooth, come on, just look how poor Telkom is struggling to get by ... they can barely even turn a profit! How can they possibly afford to provide more than 3GB/mo to their customers on such razor-thin margins? Man they would just go bankrupt.

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Ugh... Same old tired debate... Here's a bit of a fresh spin for you all!

Firstly, up util recently I've had quite a gripe with Telkom but now I don't really hate them anymore. They're a huge company with the ability to make billions of rands. Now, it's true that they're raping and pillaging the South African public but HELL! They're making a fortune! Wouldn't any big corporate want that? They can over-charge for whatever the hell they want and noone can do anything about it, so why stop? Why stop making tons of cash? Come on guys! Telkom isn't a charity! If someone comes up to your company and says they want to pay less but you know they have nowhere else to turn, are you going to charge them less? Didn't think so...

Now that that's out of the way, we can get to the REAL culprits, namely, the government! The government is a shareholder in Telkom meaning, like tax, they're making money off the profits. It is in their own interest to keep the return on investment high for as long as possible. I have no disillusions about (probably) 50% of those profits going into the pockets of corrupt officials but at the end of the day they are the only ones to blame. If Telkom had serious competition they would be forced to drop their prices. The ICT sector is no different from any other sector.It's absolutely useless applying pressure on Telkom because there's no incentive for them to lower prices. The only way we'll get to Telkom is if we get the government to change their ways. Get rid of the idiots that are messing things up and put competent, willing people in their places. People like our deputy minister of communications. He seems to be fighting with the right weapons!

Just think about it logically...

P.S. I don't work for Telkom and I'm a high bandwidth user... Just to clear any preconceptions...
 
Obelix said:
If you want it for the price you can get it another country then ****off to that country and get it there.
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So Obelix, you're saying it's wrong to want to improve your country? That we should all either be content with "amongst-the-worst-in-the-world" services/prices, or "**** off"? You're saying that South Africans should be encouraged to set their expectations extremely low and never try to achieve more/better as a country? That they should in fact move to another country where the corresponding problem has already been sorted out, rather than try to solve a problem?

I'm afraid not one part of your argument makes any sense to me whatsoever ... whatever line of reasoning you mentally followed to arrive at such a bizarre conclusion, I'm afraid I just don't see it.

The reason that ADSL and bandwidth are dirt cheap in places like the UK is precisely because thousands of users spent years and years complaining and lobbying for competition in the marketplace --- JUST like we're doing now. These things don't just happen by themselves - look around at those other countries, the majority of them had to fight hard for years for telecomms competition. Even the US had to have their own long, drawn-out (+/- 10-year) fight against a dominant monopoly with terrible service and high prices. Are you suggesting that all those Americans should rather just have left the US than complained? That all the Brits should rather just have left the UK than complained? That's bizarro-world reasoning.

PS I agree with Nocturnity, pressure should be on government, not so much Telkom.
 
The only reason Telkom ISP can let some users go up to 80gb is because they have many more users than any other ISP and also have all the typical home user types who dont even use there full 3 gigs or close to it. Therefore they have much more bandwidth available for a power user,well if you call 80GB power, but hey.
Shurley someone can complain about Telkom advertising their own ISP instead of any other ISP's available (or just informing about others) when you phone them? It's ok on their ad's, you cant blame them as they pay for it, but when you phone a company as an apparentley seperate entity to TelkomISP and they only tell you about one option as an ISP it's totally unfair, maby a group of ISP's should tackle them about this at the next MyADSL meeting with Telkom or the next broadband shootout etc?
 
Obelix said:
If you knowing exceed your 3gb then you ARE a thief.
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OK obelix, let the man confess to the Telkom Gestapo and pay for a loophole in Telkoms systems. All I say good luck if the man can download 80Gb.
 
kilos said:
OK obelix, let the man confess to the Telkom Gestapo and pay for a loophole in Telkoms systems. All I say good luck if the man can download 80Gb.
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and AFAIK on their website they dont say that they're going to hardcap you, just softcap. So that means they allow ppl to go over 3 gig anywayz.
 
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