80gig You Are Disgusting

The guys that are always moaning about ABUSERS: you ****ERS are the reason we have problems in the first place, because you idiots are in a mindset of pay for what you get. This STUPID school of thought moves away from what 1st world countries have in place - free local calls and pretty much unlimited downloads. You guys need to change the way you think. The longer you pipe your garbage around on forums like this the LONGER companies like telkom are going to charge you per usage. Instead of a NO TOLERANCE approach to these bastards and their stupid billing methodologies, you guys are divided, weak and at the end of the day confused about what you want to achieve. Every time someone here says... "I think it’s only fair to pay for usage" some **** at telkom says "check half of them want to pay for usage... so lets give it to them"

The ISPs on this forum started this crap ages ago, when a whole bunch of them started saying "yes paying for usage is the only fair way" what a load of TONK - the truth is economically its the BEST way to differentiate the product, segment the market and maximise profit. - simply you can get the most money at each level of usage from each customer.

Frankly I am tired of hearing about abusers and why they should be shot because they are making everyone’s life worse off – they aren’t but telkom would like us to believe so.
 
In advance, sorry for the long post........

Purely out of interest, if I am paying R62 or so for a gigabyte of data, this money goes to my ISP (non-Telkom) which then pays a portion of that, say R50, to Telkom for that gigabyte. What does Telkom do with this R50? Upgrade cables? Haha. Add new ones? Haha. Buy some Telkom shares? Maybe. What happens when you're a TelkomInternet subscriber and you pay X per gigabyte? Does TelkomInternet pay R50 to Telkom-proper for it? I somehow doubt that. Pointless even if they do. It's like me paying myself a salary, from my own bank account, into my own bank account, for regularly washing my dishes in the evening. Makes it look like I'm busy. If TelkomInternet is not really paying their respective R50 or so a gig, then they have a MASSIVE amount of weight to throw around and can use this to effectively strangle the "abuse"-style ISPs.

In a sense, Telkom is once again very smart. They have the majority of low-usage users who don't know any better and don't want to change ISP because of having to get a new e-mail address. They have allowed the high-usage people to move to other ISPs under the lure of 30gigs a month "cheaply" (those are BIG inverted commas), and then they pull the carpet from under those ISPs' feet and bam, suddenly you have a divide where these ISPs are stuck, generally, with high-usage users and are paying dearly per gig and so can't afford to do the TelkomInternet shared-usage thing. TelkomInternet, of course, can, and for this I take my hat off. If only I could still afford to own a hat.

Nocturnity, I couldn't agree more. In a way, the only complaint we can realistically have against Telkom is that when they had their monopoly extended under conditions that they act somewhat in the country's interests, they simply took the opportunity to make as much money as possible. And hell, they're doing an excellent job.

The government, more specifically the ANC, is responsible for sorting out this mess since they are the ONLY ones in a position to do so. You can't appeal to a corporate complaining about their price, they don't care. You have to go one level up, and in the face of no competition to move your business to, that means the government.

Sadly, we all know the ANC's stand on this all too well, and especially nowadays seeing the internal chaos going on there I can hardly believe that the ANC bigwigs will be turning their attentions to deflating their cashcow and acting in our interests? Haha. Forget it. They have an expensive indaba to cover the costs of, not to mention enough legal fees to cover up corruption scandals, and to pay the likes of Ivy to pick her nose and fall asleep. It's hard work to keep so out of touch.

For what it's worth, in my opinion, the ANC is suffering from the same "sickness" that almost all (maybe all of them, even) of Africa's leaders suffer from: a strange belief that simply being a politician means that you deserve to be rich, despite it being at the expense of so many people. They seem to be nearly incapable of thinking in the long-term, and are quick to jump to short-term goals and, what's worse, to sell these short-term *great* ideas to an unsuspecting, impoverished public.

Imagine what it must be like to be given a budget of, say, R10 million, and being told to do something useful. Imagine you're Ivy. You've got this R10m, but hell, you're getting a bunch more in kickbacks from Telkom & friends, so what do you do? You need to make a name for yourself so you dream up a stupid scheme of sorts, it really doesn't matter at all what you choose. The of the "N2 Gateway Project" near Cape Town, for example. Go campaiging, spend some time away from your solitaire and spend R1m making fancy brochures and writing long documents, laced in jargon. Seem important, that's what counts here. Now, after you're done with that, having been careful to take about 6 months to do this much, you now "launch" your campaign. Get everyone excited, make a public appearance, get some bigwigs to come and sponsor them an exorbitant lunch. Maybe the lunch will cost you another R1m, just to show that you mean business. Then what? Shut your trap for a few months, and if anyone asks "What happened to project X (insert your name of choice here) ?" you say "Yes, we are working on it. We are in meetings with Y (insert some random name or organisation here) to resolve disputes about some irrelevant rubbish, but we are working on it. Maybe by the end of the year." That should shut the public up for a while. Besides, they've got more important things to worry about. Time passes, your budget is steadily growing a fat amount of interest sitting unused in some nice high-interest fixed deposit. Where does this extra money go?? I have a few ideas, but I suspect Ivy (insert a lazy MP's name here) has beaten me to it.

Rant rant, sorry. My annoyance occasionally gets the better of me. Shutting my mouth ...
 
I am undecided in this, in truth I know now that the GubMint is to blame for all of this, but I simply do not hold any faith that the gravy train will put an end to their cash cow. South Africa is left without any recourse (or any enitity) that has the ability to change the situation. ICASA are impotent and the Gub Mint are greedy. Its up to us to directly confront Telkom and beat at them until we see a change.

I truly don't beleive that the systems that are put in place to protect us are working, or that any of the bodies that exist will do anything to assist us. It's us vs Telkom.

The GubMint will just have too look on in confusion, like normal.
 
The reall abusers are the ******** who are paying 600 bucks a month plus to send email and surf the net. Go back to dial up and leave adsl to people who know what its for.
 
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*Sigh*

I am actually beginning to understand some of the posts I've been seeing from some of the members who have been here for a while stating how we are going around in circles.

Of course I know now I'm going to get the same old BS that these people have been here for ages.. they just never registered before and only did now because they had to have their say. Well if you have been here for so long, You would know this is a dead horse you are beating on, Your comments have been debated over and over, and all you are doing is repeating things said by people 2 years ago. There is a little function on the top.. called Search.. use it. It is great! You would be surprised how stupid you all sound repeating things said by other people already (if you are reading this thinking "is he talking about me" then I more than likely am since you must be stupid, to have actually done what I just explained!)

None the less, and regardless of where I stand (if you have been reading for <insert number here> of years you would know my views). Telkom is not the only one to blame in this matter, and the goverment is not the only one to blame either....

We keep on over looking the ISP's... Do you all really think they are not out to make money just like Telkom! Why have none of them installed software/hardware that makes it possible to cut somebody off the instant they hit a specified byte? I would sure like to know
 
Nick333 said:
The reall abusers are the ******* who are paying 600 bucks a month plus to send email and surf the net. Go back to dial up and leave adsl to people who know what its for.

I guess your money is better than others? If they pay for the service what stops them using it like they want to.....:mad: :eek:
 
I've only been around for <insert 9/12th of a year here:)> but it would seem that the ISPs are, rightly or wrongly given the benefit of the doubt when it comes to pricing. Still - it would be interesting to no how their profit margins compare to ISPs from around the world. Obviously they are entitled to make money - they are providing a service.

Also - how hard are the smaller ISPs going to get hit by Telkomsa's bandwidth pooling model. Are discussions like this thread here prompting users to shift to telkomsa because of the less restrictive capping?:confused:
 
As much as people here might hate Telkom, money does talk. If they are offering the best price for an ISP then people will go with it. Not many folk can afford to pay higher bills just for a moral stand.

Kalvaer - well, excuse me. I haven't been reading for a number of years seeing as I have only been here for the last 8 months, and no, I don't have the time to go searching through thousands upon thousands of posts for something similar to what I'm saying. If I could, I would, I assure you, but what would you have suggested I search for before writing my previous post here? "Telkom"? "Government"? "High Prices"? That'll really narrow it down.
 
fivelza said:
I guess your money is better than others? If they pay for the service what stops them using it like they want to.....:mad: :eek:

OK chill bud :) what i said was more a reaction to the twits on here who are jumping up and down about the so called " abusers ".

My point is that people in that catagory would be better off on a dialup. Users like that are the ones who allow Telkom to make staements like : the majority of users use less than 3 gigs a month.
Every adsl user should be trying to hit there cap as fast as possible and taking advantage of Telkoms uncapped accounts while they can.

But anyway i wasnt that serious so dont have a stroke on my account ok ;)
 
Nick333 said:
OK chill bud :) what i said was more a reaction to the twits on here who are jumping up and down about the so called " abusers ".

My point is that people in that catagory would be better off on a dialup. Users like that are the ones who allow Telkom to make staements like : the majority of users use less than 3 gigs a month.
Every adsl user should be trying to hit there cap as fast as possible and taking advantage of Telkoms uncapped accounts while they can.

But anyway i wasnt that serious so dont have a stroke on my account ok ;)
I know you werent serious but it should be made clear to everyone that, wrt the telkomsa model at least, without these low usage people the high end users wouldnt be able to go mad without being heavily penalized. I'm also pretty sure that telkomsa has had the majority of the low end users from the beginning which is why the system might work well for them. Tards!
 
bwana v.5 said:
I've only been around for <insert 9/12th of a year here:)>
You dont count :D Prior knowledge from AKA's is invalid


Oh and Rugby ;) Yours was actually one of the only decent posts I read here (not that I agree or disagree with what you said.. If I did i would of said so directly to you). The other idiots know who they are
 
Kalvaer said:
You dont count :D Prior knowledge from AKA's is invalid
lol - but I was taking that into account!
 
Nick333 said:
OK chill bud :) what i said was more a reaction to the twits on here who are jumping up and down about the so called " abusers ".

My point is that people in that catagory would be better off on a dialup. Users like that are the ones who allow Telkom to make staements like : the majority of users use less than 3 gigs a month.
Every adsl user should be trying to hit there cap as fast as possible and taking advantage of Telkoms uncapped accounts while they can.

But anyway i wasnt that serious so dont have a stroke on my account ok ;)

OK, *blush* misread your post...sense of humour failure on my side :rolleyes:
soz!
My information from one of the largest ISPs is that most don't use their 3gb cap and once you use adsl I can't believe anyone would want to go back to dialup, with the amount of graphics/flash etc on any half decent website.

With more and more ppl reading forums such as this perhaps they will hit their cap..who knows.
 
bwana v.5 said:
lol - but I was taking that into account!
But you also didn't sit back and ask.."is he talking about me" now did you :D

I would love to know the answers from your questions though. Because as I said, Not one of the above is to blame, its a combination of the abuse, the ISP's, Telkom, Goverment.

I also think abuse could be completely ruled out of the equation if the ISP's implemented the right tools. But they are expensive... so why should they right, if they can sit back and blame telkom.

Oh with regards to international ISP's.. There is a PDF here somewhere here about how quickly an ISP could turn around and make a profit in the USA.

EDIT: bwana The post was here and the PDF I mentioned can be found here (it does require access to the local loop, but interesting read none the less)
 
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Bandwidth is Bandwidth

If Telkom has enough international bandwidth for all the uncapped users at the beginning of the month then they have enough at the end of the month.

Telkom does not pay more whether you use 100GB or 2GB. But oh boy they can sure charge more.

If you have a 100MB/s LAN connection does it make sense to transfer a large file @10MB/s

Also does it cost you more if you transfer 2GB’s than 1000GB’s

No

The maintenance and cost on the connection is already there.
It actually makes more sense to use it to capacity than it does to limit it since you already paid for a 100MB/s connection.

(In this case the ADSL is the same as a LAN connection
There is only maintenance cost not real bandwidth cost once the lines have been installed)

So why doesn’t Telkom allow us to use the available bandwith to capacity ?

Simple because they can charge for it and then convince people that this is the way it should be.(or that those who use it to capacity is abusing the system)

1 Telkom has allot of bandwith available and they currently see it as a cash cow.

2 They are no where near using the limit for the international links but they are limiting us as thought they are.

Basically Telkom is charging us 10 times what it would cost to upgrade their system to meet the demand if they were at the limit.
All the while they already have the capacity sitting IDLE just because they can charge us for it.
 
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Does anybody know how Telkom is billed for their international links? I'd love to know exactly what they're paying and what their local maintenance bill comes to.

Also it's interesting how this sneaky experiment TelkomInternet is doing is causing in-fighting here. I bet they're loving it.

But who came up with the idea of pooling bandwidth? It's retarded. In effect we're all paying a fixed amount into a kitty and some people are taking out more than their "share". If I'm over 3GB but only just because I want to keep the global average down... well I could still get capped by surprise thanks to the "abusers" who spend all day downloading stuff they aren't allowed to.

Hopefully they'll use their data from this to establish more reasonable cap levels and then sort out their retardedly unfair wholesaling.
 
me said:
Hopefully they'll use their data from this to establish more reasonable cap levels and then sort out their retardedly unfair wholesaling.
OK stop it right this instant! You are not allowed to speak such nonsense on these forums and give others false hope! By doing that you are as bad as telkom

ps: Jokes aside.. I wish it worked like that.. I so wish it did
 
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