A week with Apple ...

[Dolby]

@Dolby is turning into @eg2505 before our eyes...

Although I got two massive Apple fans to see my point …

It makes me warm inside when people don't just believe any marketing and can think for themselves . It's progression

 

[AfricanTech]

Although I got two massive Apple fans to see my point …

It makes me warm inside when people don't just believe any marketing and can think for themselves . It's progression

No, no - you really don't want to go down the eggy road.

The problem is that not only did you want everyone to acknowledge it, but you also refused to accept that your point wasn't important to anyone else but you because none of the flaws/shortcomings that you pointed out mattered to anyone but yourself.

 

[genetic]

Although I got two massive Apple fans to see my point …

It makes me warm inside when people don't just believe any marketing and can think for themselves . It's progression

To the contrary...

Apple does NOT lead the pack in smartphone innovation - they are often the last to bring features to a handset - but when they do, they make sure it works and everyone can use it flawlessly.

For the 1st time in 10 years, they've upgraded the main camera sensor in the iPhone 14 from 12MP to 48MP (BUT those images are still binned down to 12MP)... With their strict closed eco-system and lack of racing to the megapixel finish-line, they've been able to craft their software to take great images 95% of the time, competing with sensors years ahead, and still beat most phones in the camera department.

You don't buy an iPhone to say you have a 12K camera, with 50GB of RAM and 20TB of storage. You buy an iPhone because you know that the 6GB of RAM, 10 year old camera sensor, and extremely solid construction will give you years' of hassle free use - with consistent results and continual software updates.

It's the same reason NASA uses microchip technology that is sometimes decades old. It works for the purpose, where reliability, consistency and durability is far more important than bleeding edge (often gimmicky) technology.

 

[genetic]

@Dolby is turning into @eg2505 before our eyes...

I wouldn't bring anyone down to eg2505's level... I have not read anything more brain rotting, unintelligible, low IQ and incredibly daft posts than what he is able to spew out... oh and maybe @mushroom. I'm sure they are related.

 

[Romeo_RX]

First with Retina display, first with desktop grade storage controller, first with 3D-touch, first with reversible connector , first with truedepth, first with those image and video compression codecs, etc.

How many of the competition’s innovations have survived and proven to be not gimmicks?

 

[genetic]

First with Retina display, first with desktop grade storage controller, first with 3D-touch, first with reversible connector , first with truedepth, first with those image and video compression codecs, etc.

How many of the competition’s innovations have survived and proven to be not gimmicks?

Now you're playing into Dolby's marketing hype for the iPhone. You believe the bullsh*t.

It was not first in ANY of those... besides Face-ID.

Retina display - Just a marketing term for pixel density. Retina display has no meaning outside of Apple talk. Apple had tiny displays, so they crammed more pixels into a smaller space. HTC and Samsung were the first to bring HD (1280x720) displays to the market, and the first with high-resolution QHD etc.

Desktop grade storage controller - Samsung was the first to introduce desktop grade UFS2.0 storage to their Galaxy S6 line in 2015. Also Apple is STILL using USB2.0 for the lightning port in 2022!

3D-Touch - Marketing gimmick - it was just haptic feedback with a physical pressure point that was quickly ditched by Apple.

Truedepth? WTF is that? You mean Face-ID? Yeah Apple pretty much has that nailed - I'll definitely give them that. Also there is no other phone that comes close to Apples Face-ID security.

Image and video codecs - Apple was the LAST to implement HEVC and HD video recording. Samsung beat Apple by 4 years introducing HEVC support with their Galaxy S4 in 2013, with Apple only introducing it in 2017.

My point being - they take their time to test and implement technology to the point where it's pretty much indestructible and robust to be reliable and give consistent results. In doing so, they will keep the same technology active for years, until they can reliably replace an existing technology with the new, and ensure it works just as reliably.

One thing that they are always first in though, is the performance of their A-Bionic processors. There they are leagues ahead of the competition, but no doubt that's due to the extremely controlled closed-loop system of hardware and software development thrown into only one device. Efficiency.

 

[AfricanTech]

You've just reminded me that I had an htc phone at some point as well. I loved that device - build quality was superb.

Such a pity they couldn't keep up.

Edit: what a phone this was

 

[genetic]

You've just reminded me that I had an htc phone at some point as well. I loved that device - build quality was superb.

Such a pity they couldn't keep up.

Agreed!

I had the HTC Sensation in 2011! My favourite phone ever - loved that device. Had an iPhone 4 in 2010, but the HTC Sensation was just on another level.

My Android phones after my HTC Sensation was the Samsung S4 in 2013, S6 in 2015, then moved to OnePlus in 2017 and 2018 with the OnePlus 3T and OnePlus 6T... but OnePlus have since lost their way, as HTC did. That was the end of the road for me with Android.

Finally decided to decided to go back to Apple with the iPhone 12 Pro Max, then the 13 Pro Max, and now will get the 14 Pro Max. I get good resale value on my iPhones, so been buying the new device every year.

I know it sounds old by now, but iPhones just work. I know that whichever app I'm using, or no matter the photo I take, I'll get great results... also software updates! Outside of the now mid-tear and mediocre Google Pixel, no other phone gets global software updates like iPhones do.

I'm already waiting for iOS 16 to be released on Monday, and I know I'll get it on Monday. With Android, you wait months for manufacturers to release their new version of Android and then drop support for new OS releases just after two years.

It's the simplicity of owning an iPhone that makes it attractive. So what if I have half the RAM you do? Why do you need double? Is your phone's software that inefficient it can't do the exact same tasks as the iPhone without the same resources?

 

[Romeo_RX]

Now you're playing into Dolby's marketing hype for the iPhone. You believe the bullsh*t.

It was not first in ANY of those... besides Face-ID.

Retina display - Just a marketing term for pixel density. Retina display has no meaning outside of Apple talk. Apple had tiny displays, so they crammed more pixels into a smaller space. HTC and Samsung were the first to bring HD (1280x720) displays to the market, and the first with high-resolution QHD etc.

Desktop grade storage controller - Samsung was the first to introduce desktop grade UFS2.0 storage to their Galaxy S6 line in 2015. Also Apple is STILL using USB2.0 for the lightning port in 2022!

3D-Touch - Marketing gimmick - it was just haptic feedback with a physical pressure point that was quickly ditched by Apple.

Truedepth? WTF is that? You mean Face-ID? Yeah Apple pretty much has that nailed - I'll definitely give them that. Also there is no other phone that comes close to Apples Face-ID security.

Image and video codecs - Apple was the LAST to implement HEVC and HD video recording. Samsung beat Apple by 4 years introducing HEVC support with their Galaxy S4 in 2013, with Apple only introducing it in 2017.

My point being - they take their time to test and implement technology to the point where it's pretty much indestructible and robust to be reliable and give consistent results. In doing so, they will keep the same technology active for years, until they can reliably replace an existing technology with the new, and ensure it works just as reliably.

One thing that they are always first in though, is the performance of their A-Bionic processors. There they are leagues ahead of the competition, but no doubt that's due to the extremely controlled closed-loop system of hardware and software development thrown into only one device. Efficiency.

It’s late and I have to be up early so I can’t properly respond to this but rather than leave it until next week, quickly:

Yes I know I used Apple’s marketing terms, but they subsume a lot that can’t be relayed by just saying “pixel density” for example, retina displays were not only high PPI, they were also individually factory calibrated , and used IPS displays which didn’t have the quirks of early AMOLED screens like the weird subpixel layouts and blue hues. “Retina” displays had an even larger impact on laptops, the entire industry changed.

Samsung only began fussing about matching Apple’s display quality starting with the S4.

Storage controller - I’m talking about the internal storage, Anandtech has a write-up about it, they used pci before anybody else and it was blazing fast.

3D Touch ultimately failed but they did do specific R&D for glass to suit the purpose and haptics that are still the best despite 3D-touch being removed.

HEVC and HEIC - you may have me there, but I have a feeling that if I go digging I’m going to find weakness in that claim. Were the SoCs designed with them in mind, like they are in iPhones?

 

[Romeo_RX]

Another thing, the A series led to the M1, I think that’s pretty much proof that it’s not just their closed-loop approach that put them leagues ahead - it runs even non-native software on an emulation layer that even Microsoft couldn’t get right. Apple’s silicon team are crazy good.

 

[Dolby]

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I bought an iPhone 13 Pro & iPhone 13 Mini, as well as Apple TV 4K. I started to use the Apple apps (Mail, Maps, Calendar etc) and subscribed Apple services (iCloud, Apple Music, Apple TV+)

I even changed my watch to something more ‘Apple friendly’ (though I couldn’t handle the battery life on an Apple Watch, so I went Garmin)

Based on what I’ve used before, I truly do not see anything being many years ahead of the competition - both hardware & software.

I’m sorry to say it - but as much as it’s a great phone, there are irritations and times I can’t even see the gap from an old Android to this.

It is, obviously, opinion based on what you use and value - but as I’ve said before, I had a greater expectation in moving from a 3 year old Android to the latest iPhone.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Without watching videos…has he turned on Reduce Motion yet so the animation doesn’t get in the way?

Are apps still being cold started every time?

 

[AfricanTech]

I bought an iPhone 13 Pro & iPhone 13 Mini, as well as Apple TV 4K. I started to use the Apple apps (Mail, Maps, Calendar etc) and subscribed Apple services (iCloud, Apple Music, Apple TV+)

I even changed my watch to something more ‘Apple friendly’ (though I couldn’t handle the battery life on an Apple Watch, so I went Garmin)

Based on what I’ve used before, I truly do not see anything being many years ahead of the competition - both hardware & software.

I’m sorry to say it - but as much as it’s a great phone, there are irritations and times I can’t even see the gap from an old Android to this.

It is, obviously, opinion based on what you use and value - but as I’ve said before, I had a greater expectation in moving from a 3 year old Android to the latest iPhone.

A testament to how mature smartphones are now.

 

[AfricanTech]

Without watching videos…has he turned on Reduce Motion yet so the animation doesn’t get in the way?

Are apps still being cold started every time?

Yes but it's irrelevant.

I think we've sufficiently made the point that he's barking up the wrong tree with his unrealistic expectations of massively superior performance (something you tried to tell him at the outset of the thread but that he steadfastly refused to acknowledge).

I suspect that he's slowly exiting Anger but hasn't reached Bargaining yet.

 

[Johnatan56]

@Dolby have you enabled reduced motion in settings?

 

[Dolby]

Again, I’m not concerned about speed.

I expected more in 3 years

I expected more performance
I expected never before seen image quality
I expects a battery that lasted twice as long
I expected apps to be polished and fluid

Summary is that I expected more. But I’ve been corrected by Africatech that I unrealistic expectations and that I shouldn’t really expect much more than what I had

 

[Dolby]

Yes but it's irrelevant.

I think we've sufficiently made the point that he's barking up the wrong tree with his unrealistic expectations of massively superior performance (something you tried to tell him at the outset of the thread but that he steadfastly refused to acknowledge).

I suspect that he's slowly exiting Anger but hasn't reached Bargaining yet.

Have you have swapped platforms and adopted the latest Android yet? Or are you just going on what you think and the marketing put out?

 

[R13...]

Again, I’m not concerned about speed.

I expected more in 3 years

I expected more performance
I expected never before seen image quality
I expects a battery that lasted twice as long
I expected apps to be polished and fluid

Summary is that I expected more. But I’ve been corrected by Africatech that I unrealistic expectations and that I shouldn’t really expect much more than what I had

Great. Will you stop making snide remarks about apple now? You're really engaging very dishonestly. You seem to genuinely want help and then you start sounding like you're just trolling the folk (your word by the way which you thought was a clever way to get around calling them sheep).

 

[Dolby]

Great. Will you stop making snide remarks about apple now? You're really engaging very dishonestly. You seem to genuinely want help and then you start sounding like you're just trolling the folk (your word by the way which you thought was a clever way to get around calling them sheep).

But how? But saying something isn’t as great as it is?

I don’t need what is so wrong with saying ‘I expected more in terms of hardware & software’

In any other product that doesn’t involve Apple, there’s no issue. But because it’s Apple people hate it

 

[Dolby]

I bought an iPhone 13 Pro & iPhone 13 Mini, as well as Apple TV 4K. I started to use the Apple apps (Mail, Maps, Calendar etc) and subscribed Apple services (iCloud, Apple Music, Apple TV+)

I even changed my watch to something more ‘Apple friendly’ (though I couldn’t handle the battery life on an Apple Watch, so I went Garmin)

Based on what I’ve used before, I truly do not see anything being many years ahead of the competition - both hardware & software.

I’m sorry to say it - but as much as it’s a great phone, there are irritations and times I can’t even see the gap from an old Android to this.

It is, obviously, opinion based on what you use and value - but as I’ve said before, I had a greater expectation in moving from a 3 year old Android to the latest iPhone.

This is what you should focus on and it should be the end of it