ABSA vs. FNB

There are some bundles from ABSA which means you pay slightly less. But I do want to make a point about service levels too. I'm pretty sure it is quicker for me to move to FNB than it is to move to a different bundle.

Did you guys know that FNB phoned their customers to let them know of their new unlimited option and gave them the option to move? I have only once heard from ABSA in 3 years. That is right after the new NCA they told me I am finally worthy of a Gold Account (I have been worthy since I opened the account but they stuffed up) but I am pretty sure that was a trick to get around the provisions in the NCA prohibiting automatic credit limit increases - getting me to reapply for a credit card.

If ABSA called me/e-mailed me/had something on internet telling me that I could pay less on a bundle and gave me an easy way to move I would have took the option. Note that their options is still are some way from FNB's options.
 
Hmm... well I'm keeping both accounts open for just this reason....anything they havent't told me, they better correct, or they can close their account :p
 
Think the service depends on which branch u use as well.
The tellers and manager at the branch I go to are quite competent and helpful.
 
Think the service depends on which branch u use as well.
The tellers and manager at the branch I go to are quite competent and helpful.

I almost never go to a branch. Customer service is more than what you get when you are in the building... especially with what is essentially electronic online services.
 
RANT WARNING! - Scroll past this ;)

In the hope of some Absa guy reading this, herewith my Absa horror story:

I was quite happy with Absa (from way back, before it was even Absa), right through my student days, etc.

The troubles started when I started working....

First came the switch from a student account to a "proper account", which included a garage card. The application was an issue which took 5 days to sort out since they did not want to change my account to a graduate account since I didn't at that time yet have proof of employment (other than my salary slip and monthly deposits into my account) but also did not want me to stay on the student package "since I was earning a salary". The mind boggles.

After about 5 weeks after my application for a garage card I was still garage card-less and asked my branch what was going on... They couldn't tell me and promised to get back to me. Needless to say they didn't but at least a week later I got my garage card.

So, I go about my merry way until one day I receive a rude phone call from my branch, asking my when I'm going to come and collect my garage card after all the fuss I have made - which was quite strange, seeing that I already had a garage card in my possession (and have thrown in many many liters of petrol). It transpired that when my first application didn't result in a garage card they merely duplicated the application and issued a second card. So - they cancelled the second card. Or so I thought - in fact: they cancelled the card I had in my possesion, which led me being quite embarrassed at the the petrol station when my card was listed as blacklisted. After a few phone calls they reversed the blacklisting.... again however, so I thought: a couple of weeks later I received a sms from some Absa call center (after hours!) which basically said that I was using an illegal card and had to hand the card in at my nearest branch. Obviously when I tried to call the call centre, it was closed.

After a number of phone calls, which I had to make and pay for - the issue was resolved. Ah, but wait: it wasn't! Two months later I received 17 pages of garage card statements.... It transpired that they "old" card number was now allocated to somebody else, but still linked to my account....! Fun and games! Luckily all the transactions were quickly reversed, save for - the bank charges! (To this day, some 6 months later I'm still waiting on the R200-odd refund).


Then, three months later, a FNB banker was at our office for one of my colleagues... He told me of his package (the electronic option at R75/month) and I did some investigation on my bank charges.... the summary of which are:
- I'm paying internet banking fees twice per month of R115 (quite clever, I must say, since one sees the internet banking fee and disregards it, but never notice that it pops up twice per month on your account).
- I'm paying a management fee for my cheque account of R200p/m
- I'm paying a yearly AND monthly credit card fee (R300-odd for the yearly fee plus another R20p/m)
- I'm paying an admin fee of some R50p/m fr goodness knows what

All-in-all, it resulted in the nice sum of R487 for the month of Feb 2008. I was shocked.

So, I decided to call my banker at Absa and left 7 messages to find out what is going on... Not a single call was returned.

My experience with FNB on the other hand was magnificient, to ay the least. The FNB rep came to my office, collected all the docs, did all the applications, sorted out my credit card, overdraft, etc - all in 30 minutes.

One week later I had my R75p/m option plus cheque card, credit card and debit and credit petrol cards as well as internet banking sorted. What a pleasure and double thumbs up to FNB!

As a final confirmation that I was right to leave Absa - I phoned Absa to ask what I needed to switch my last debit order (an internal absa one, which Absa did not allowed FNB to do on my behalf). I phoned and asked what I needed to switch my debit order and close my accounts. When I saw the senior Sales Manager at Absa Sandton City, she confirmed to me that I was overpaying on all my accounts - the shocking part? They didn't even offer to rectify it, just basically said they understand why I would want to close my accounts.

After spending ages in the queues at the tellers to close my accounts, I was told that I also needed a statement from FNB to prove my account number (new requirement which I was not told of over the phone) - which meant having to rush over to FNB and rush bank to Absa before they closed the Saturday morning (with being totally unapologetic and basically telling me that if I didn't return by 11am, I'll have to do it some other time).

My warning to all - stay away from Absa: I really don't mind paying a small premium for good service, but no consumer should have to put up with such arrogance and incompetence. And for considerably less money you can actually get better service at FNB.

I don't understand why corporates can't understand that such bad customer service is really bad for business (especially people who now EARN money and can and will be a good client for a long time to come)? I myself have actually told everybody that I've met that is with Absa that they are being ripped off and should seriously consider going to FNB.

OK, enough of my diatribe....
 
ABSA

Admin Charge -5.00
Management Fee -15.00
Internet Bank Fee -33.55
PETROL TRANSACTION FEE -2.75 LINKED TO CHEQUE ACCOUNT
 
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What type of account? Transaction spread?

Student Silver Cheque.
The old tannie at varsity hooked me long time ago. I'm not disclosing that i'm employed anytime soon.
 
I made the move from ABSA to FNB about 6 months ago.
Cannot complain about FNB at this stage.
 
I made the move from ABSA to FNB about 6 months ago.
Cannot complain about FNB at this stage.

I suppose it all depends on the level of banking you do, and the package you're on... I was very happy with FNB Platinum.... but their service suddenly changed after my issues with another department.
 
Been with FNB since I was 8. No problems yet, although i'm still on the student account, not telling them i'm employed quite yet :D
 
Barclays and ABSA

This is a rant so don't read it if you are not in the mood....

Sent the following email to [email protected], it is always worth following the money...

Hi,

My name is ##### and I lived in the UK for eight years until mid 2004, I banked with Barclays, in fact I still have an account with you.

When Barclays bought a stake in ABSA in South Africa, I thought, hey, great, perhaps they will do away with personal banking charges, just like I had with my Barclays account in the UK, fantastic! Well, no such luck.

Today my attention was drawn to this thread on a South African bulletin board, http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=112121, so I hauled out my personal bank statements and checked the bank charges. Here is a summary:

Statement # Date Amount
0168 05/03/07 132.13
0169 05/04/07 0?
0170 05/05/07 146.05
0171 05/06/07 115.56
0172 05/07/07 121.90
0173 05/08/07 144.95
0174 05/09/07 180.65
0175 05/10/07 154.95
0176 05/11/07 152.00
0177 05/12/07 183.40
0178 05/01/08 165.30
0179 05/02/08 246.95

Total for the year 1743.84

I have banked with ABSA since I was a student in the late eighties, before it became ABSA (Trust Bank).

I have a Cheque, Bond, Company Cheque and Credit Card account with them / you.

I feel that you have actually shirked your responsibility to me, after all I am a customer here (South Africa) and there (UK), and I would expect the same consideration in both locations. Besides the fact that you could actually have improved the lives of a lot of people without these charges, many far less fortunate than myself; or at least have made the market more competitive, and improved their lot and ours along with it.

In my humble opinion you chose to milk the cow rather than serve any sort of 'Corporate Responsibility'.

Your involvement in South African banking appears to be more opportunistic than responsible. Yet, if you had done it right, it could have been fantastic, for South Africans and for you.

On the 21st of February 2006 you posted a record annual profit of $9.2bn and overseas operations made up 40% of the total (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4734844.stm) Isn't it strange that the ABSA deal occurred in the same financial year (http://business.iafrica.com/news/465992.htm)? I have no problem with making a profit, but making it at the expense of struggling emerging markets is a little reprehensible don't you think?

Tomorrow I will be visiting my ABSA bank manager with this email, a print-out of the thread on MyBroadband and my bank statements. I will also post a copy of this email on said thread immediately; it will probably also end up on Hello Peter (http://www.hellopeter.co.za/).

Kind Regards
###########
 
By the way, the additional charges for the Credit, Bond and company accounts are not included here, these are purely for my 'Gold' cheque account.
 

As did I....

http://www.hellopeter.com/absa/complaint/being_a_client_for_20+_years_means_nothing_to_absa/147604/

This is a rant so don't read it if you are not in the mood....

Sent the following email to [email protected],

Applause to IdlePhaedrus for the initiative! I hope Absa (or Barclays!) starts to see the light of day....!
 
It is the funny thing in South Africa:

Cheaper seems to be better. I think that is mostly due to the fact that corporates in South Africa had not yet made the connection that bad service costs more money than good service. And it is not only "losing customers and business".

For example - my statement problem. I was frustrated by the 1 hour 40 minutes - but I had to deal with 3 different people in ABSA just to get what I need. I am pretty sure that if the staff had adequate support systems within ABSA they would have been able to handle my query in 5 minutes. Hence less staff required over the long term. Leading to cost savings which would (hopefully) be passed onto the consumers.
 
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