ADSL Account Theft

HellTel

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thisgeek said:
What is IPC?


That question has been answered on this forum but, I am still very confused about its definition, maybe one of the ISPs that uses it should try to explain ... as far as I am concerned one of the features against it is that it does not allow p2p at all?
 

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HellTel said:
That question has been answered on this forum but, I am still very confused about its definition, maybe one of the ISPs that uses it should try to explain ... as far as I am concerned one of the features against it is that it does not allow p2p at all?

No, that is not a feature... let me explain.

IPC = Internet Protocal Connect. What it means is SAIX connects you directly to your ISP, and the ISP can then manage their/your bandwidth as they wish, they can route you wherever it's best. You authenticate with them and you go through thier network to get out onto the net. Alot of ISP's shape P2P in order to cut down on thier network traffic.

Standard... Telkom ADSL ATM => SAIX => Internet (ISP resells SAIX)
IPC... Telkom ADSL ATM => ISP => Carrier (IS / SAIX / UUNet) => Internet
 

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Carlhead said:
No, that is not a feature... let me explain.

IPC = Internet Protocal Connect. What it means is SAIX connects you directly to your ISP, and the ISP can then manage their/your bandwidth as they wish, they can route you wherever it's best. You authenticate with them and you go through thier network to get out onto the net. Alot of ISP's shape P2P in order to cut down on thier network traffic.

Standard... Telkom ADSL ATM => SAIX => Internet (ISP resells SAIX)
IPC... Telkom ADSL ATM => ISP => Carrier (IS / SAIX / UUNet) => Internet


Ok ok ... pardon my ignorance here but, lets see if I got it now.

Currently .... I am with SAOL 10GIG account and from what I understand is this ... I authenticate with SAOL and SAOL connects me to SAIX and from there I go on to the net.

IPC would then be ... I authenticate with SAOL that connects me to SAIX and then SAIX will connect me back to my ISP that connects me to the Internet?

Wow it gets more confusing everyday.
 

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HellTel said:
Ok ok ... pardon my ignorance here but, lets see if I got it now.

Currently .... I am with SAOL 10GIG account and from what I understand is this ... I authenticate with SAOL and SAOL connects me to SAIX and from there I go on to the net.

IPC would then be ... I authenticate with SAOL that connects me to SAIX and then SAIX will connect me back to my ISP that connects me to the Internet?

Wow it gets more confusing everyday.

Ok, you just made it really confusing.

You always connect to the Telkom ADSL ATM... becuse telkom provides the ADSL line / connectivity. Then Telkom either connects you to SAIX or to your ISP. The difference being, if you connect to your ISP, then they can manage you and route you where ever.
 

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Carlhead said:
Ok, you just made it really confusing.

You always connect to the Telkom ADSL ATM... becuse telkom provides the ADSL line / connectivity. Then Telkom either connects you to SAIX or to your ISP. The difference being, if you connect to your ISP, then they can manage you and route you where ever.

kk I got it now .... and have another question.

P2P is throttled by Telkom right? so is Skype?

So if an ISP offers IPC then the ISP can manage your account as they see fit? or is that still controlled by Telkom?
 

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If yer ISP is reselling a SAIX shaped account then teklom is controlling it.
 

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HellTel said:
kk I got it now .... and have another question.

P2P is throttled by Telkom right? so is Skype?

So if an ISP offers IPC then the ISP can manage your account as they see fit? or is that still controlled by Telkom?

The ISP has the ability to control the account totally, including shaping.
 

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Using the south african legal system will cost you thousands of rands and more time than you can imagine.... do you know how often your docket will be lost before they give a damn? they dont even see this sort of thing as a crime when there are people getting shot in the streets

SOLUTION: install a firewall on any pc that dials into the internet, get the latest patches and change your password.
 

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ganymede1 said:
SOLUTION: install a firewall on any pc that dials into the internet, get the latest patches and change your password.

Doesn't help any if Telkom gives away your password!
 

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Carlhead said:
Doesn't help any if Telkom gives away your password!


Hmmmmmmmmmm ... It would read better .... "Doesn't help any if "YOUR ISP" gives away your password" .. like that it would not be a direct accusation. .... after all Telkom does not know SAOL's passwords ...
 

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ganymede1 said:
Using the south african legal system will cost you thousands of rands and more time than you can imagine.... do you know how often your docket will be lost before they give a damn? they dont even see this sort of thing as a crime when there are people getting shot in the streets

SOLUTION: install a firewall on any pc that dials into the internet, get the latest patches and change your password.

I would have to agree, although it would be great to actually nail a few of these stupid people who hijack accounts I really do not see it actually happening. There have been a few people who have tried, so far I have not heard of any successes.

The fact that you need to get subpoenas and open police cases just so you can peruse your own login activity seems daft, if Telkom really wanted to reduce this account theft problem they could simply add the phone number that a connection originated from into the online stats.

I have a few accounts, these accounts are not always used by me, nor are they always used from the same location. This makes it somewhat impossible to tell if one of the valid users overused the account, or if some hijacker used it. With a phone number attached to each login I could at least verify the location and from that deduce the actual user, and if in doubt I could just call the number and find out who it was. This would make me a lot happier, and would eliminate false alarms.

For those ISPs who operate their own RADIUS servers for authentication I would guess adding the phone number is trivial. Calling-Station-Id attribute in the stats pages please...
 

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pookfuzz said:
I would have to agree, although it would be great to actually nail a few of these stupid people who hijack accounts I really do not see it actually happening. There have been a few people who have tried, so far I have not heard of any successes.

The fact that you need to get subpoenas and open police cases just so you can peruse your own login activity seems daft, if Telkom really wanted to reduce this account theft problem they could simply add the phone number that a connection originated from into the online stats.

I have a few accounts, these accounts are not always used by me, nor are they always used from the same location. This makes it somewhat impossible to tell if one of the valid users overused the account, or if some hijacker used it. With a phone number attached to each login I could at least verify the location and from that deduce the actual user, and if in doubt I could just call the number and find out who it was. This would make me a lot happier, and would eliminate false alarms.

For those ISPs who operate their own RADIUS servers for authentication I would guess adding the phone number is trivial. Calling-Station-Id attribute in the stats pages please...


Now here is an extremely constructive post and idea.

I think it is a brilliant idea, to attach a phone number to every login.

I bet you that you don't work for Telskum ... :D
 

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HellTel said:
Hmmmmmmmmmm ... It would read better .... "Doesn't help any if "YOUR ISP" gives away your password" .. like that it would not be a direct accusation. .... after all Telkom does not know SAOL's passwords ...

Yes, you're right...

pookfuzz said:
For those ISPs who operate their own RADIUS servers for authentication I would guess adding the phone number is trivial. Calling-Station-Id attribute in the stats pages please...

And it's so simple to... you can determin a lot of information from the NAS port ID.
 

chukky

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NAS PORT - How to discover

Hi,

Does anybody here know how you can find out what your own NAS PORT ID is, as many ISP's nowadays have a feature where you can lock an account to 1 or more NAS PORTS.

Ta,

C
 
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