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Can someone get me up to date as to who the major players are in the bonded adsl arena.

All i know about is mweb, and vox

Opinions are welcome!
 
avert said:
Can someone get me up to date as to who the major players are in the bonded adsl arena.

All i know about is mweb, and vox

Opinions are welcome!
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Altech Technology Concepts were actually first. Then came Vox, then MWEB.
 
VOX (ala Fishbone), isn't a true bonding application - it's more a load balancer. 2 x 4MB lines = 4MB throughput, load balanced. 2 x 4MB lines = 8Mb throughput = bonded.
 
savage said:
VOX (ala Fishbone), isn't a true bonding application - it's more a load balancer. 2 x 4MB lines = 4MB throughput, load balanced. 2 x 4MB lines = 8Mb throughput = bonded.
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Well with ATC they can be configured both ways.
 
savage said:
VOX (ala Fishbone), isn't a true bonding application - it's more a load balancer. 2 x 4MB lines = 4MB throughput, load balanced. 2 x 4MB lines = 8Mb throughput = bonded.
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I though Fishbone was a bonded application im not 100% sure but i thought they split the traffic through the adsl lines and then then put it together at there datacenter therefore getting 8Mbps thats what i thought XD

also its 2 x 4Mb not MB XD

cheapest method will be to get something like zeroshell and balance the load across multiple adsl lines. If you want a cheap alternative and wanted to bond your lines you can also rent a dedicated machine in a datacenter and install zeroshell and bond your lines though it is a bit hard tried but gave up cause i was lazy. But i have heard about people doing it and succeeding it using VPN bonding you can go and do some research there.
 
not looking for a cheap method. cost isnt a factor. Just looking for someone who doesnt use IS really
 
hereticangel said:
what about neotel fiber solutions?
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I'm reluctant to say this but we've been getting some nice speeds with Neotel fibre. Take note there installation time is just as bad as Telkom but once it's running it's not too bad.

With bonding I have yet to be impressed. Saw 3x 10Mb bonded adsl yesterday and most I could get was 10Mb tops.
 
We tried VOX's fishbone in 4 offices for video conferencing and gave up after a couple of months. The average data speed was not too bad but every few minutes, the speed would drop to almost zero for a few seconds resulting in dropped calls. We have since moved to Telkom MetroLAN fibre for inter office comms.
 
TheGuy said:
I'm reluctant to say this but we've been getting some nice speeds with Neotel fibre. Take note there installation time is just as bad as Telkom but once it's running it's not too bad.

With bonding I have yet to be impressed. Saw 3x 10Mb bonded adsl yesterday and most I could get was 10Mb tops.
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herecticangel said:
what about neotel fiber solutions?
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I think fibre is a bit overboard, were wanting to switch providers and we only use the bonded solution for a browsing breakout

@mwebguy, i will definately pm details
 
if you jsut want it to increase general speed dont go through a bonded provider no point in providing high speeds like 12Mbps or 30 MBps just for browsing the only reason why i see it fit to bond lines is if you need to get increased upload since you can get max 512Kbps on adsl rather get something like zeroshell or untangle and set up load balancing

here is a extract explaining the difference:
Load balancing is the process of spreading out data streams across different connections. For example, say that we are on a two user network and user one is downloading an ISO. His data will go through connection one (assuming two ISP connections). When user two tries to use the internet, the load balancing router/software senses that connection one is busy and routes user two's data across the second ISP connection. In this situation, having two 1024kbps circuits does not mean that each computer has 2048kbps available to them, only 1024kbps (each computer only can use only one ISP circuit).

Circuit bonding*/muxing is a very different approach to increasing your bandwidth. Unlike load balancing, the bits of all clients are spread across all connections. So, unlike the above example, two 1024kbps circuits will equal 2048kbps (and each computer has all of that bandwidth available, unlike above). However this approach is much more expensive. Circuit bonding requires two routers and two devices called "muxs". One router and "mux" is placed at the ISP end and the other router and "mux" is placed at the customer end. You ISP must support this configuration as well, and often times providers will only do this type of connection with T1 circuits.
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So if you want to just use it for browsing load balancing option is perfect cause when you download a website you do it through one connection it opens up a new connection/request for each item on the page so images js files css files and then also the html file will all go through diffrent lines.

Also if you want to check out maximum download what you can do is download 1 file using a download manager and download it using multiple concurrent connections this would give you full line speed. Also using p2p software since it is also based on multiple concurrent connections will max out all X of your lines. At my office i have 4 ADSL lines and one 3g fail over. And the way it works lets say i goto google.co.za, the html data goes through line 1, the css file goes through line 2 the javascript file goes through line 3 and the image goes through line 4, so the load gets spread out across all lines also if my ADSL goes down all data gets rerouted through a 3g router cause it is set up as a fail over. And i spend R 0 on any software since it is all done by my zeroshell router.
 
snobee said:
Not sure where you heard that? According to Vox they are a bonding service. http://www.voxtelecom.co.za/fishbone.asp
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We have 4x4MB lines with Vox, when I do a speedtest I get the following, which equates to a +/- 11Mb line.

Only way we are able to get this speed is by having another hardware firewall called a 'Firebox' which does Round robin connection pooling when doing multiple connection downloads.
If that device is not connected, I get more along the lines of 5Mb
 
Ludjer said:
if you jsut want it to increase general speed dont go through a bonded provider no point in providing high speeds like 12Mbps or 30 MBps just for browsing the only reason why i see it fit to bond lines is if you need to get increased upload since you can get max 512Kbps on adsl rather get something like zeroshell or untangle and set up load balancing

here is a extract explaining the difference:


So if you want to just use it for browsing load balancing option is perfect cause when you download a website you do it through one connection it opens up a new connection/request for each item on the page so images js files css files and then also the html file will all go through diffrent lines.

Also if you want to check out maximum download what you can do is download 1 file using a download manager and download it using multiple concurrent connections this would give you full line speed. Also using p2p software since it is also based on multiple concurrent connections will max out all X of your lines. At my office i have 4 ADSL lines and one 3g fail over. And the way it works lets say i goto google.co.za, the html data goes through line 1, the css file goes through line 2 the javascript file goes through line 3 and the image goes through line 4, so the load gets spread out across all lines also if my ADSL goes down all data gets rerouted through a 3g router cause it is set up as a fail over. And i spend R 0 on any software since it is all done by my zeroshell router.
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This is the web outbreak for about 9 companies worth of terminal server users. Also wouold rather go with an officially supported product with SLA's then sit like a nob trying to get zeroshell back to life after various reasons
 
avert said:
This is the web outbreak for about 9 companies worth of terminal server users. Also wouold rather go with an officially supported product with SLA's then sit like a nob trying to get zeroshell back to life after various reasons
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I would agree and disagree. I can't speak much for Zeroshell, but Untangle is an awesome product, and is pretty stable. Stable enough for me to say that I forget it is even sitting as part of my network. Having said that, I will totally agree with you that even though it can be stable and reliable, I am much happier having my Cyberoam UTM appliance as the heart of my network. When I did have problems with my Untangle box, as I am on a free version, I struggled to get support for it. The cost of a premium annual package of Untangle is the same price as my Cyberoam annual fee. So I choose an appliance when I can.
 
Ofcourse if you can go for something with SLA go for it i would also just trying to give people alternatives that are looking for a cheaper solutions.

When it comes to getting faster internet if you can afford it look into Vodacom Fiber or even Wimax it comes with a SLA, you going to pay quite allot but you get 5Mbps both up and down which would take 10 ADSL lines to get all bonded and then you talking about quite a pricy solution there.

Also look at neotell fiber solutions there cheap and really good according to the people that have used them. Its has excellent support and you get bursts of upto 100 Mbps which is really awsome.

They also offer wimax ask them to send out a consultant so he can take you through the options available.
 
Sorry to high jack this thread, but Mweb Guy would you be able to get us some speedtest results to various servers using the 4X4mbps or 4x10mbps unshaped uncapped bonded service... thinking of applying for it in the fall.

Also how is the uptime on these lines (providing your ADSL sync is stable), and please be honest...
 
Hey guys,

I know there have been many different companies mentioned here than can do either bonding or load balancing, but has anybody tried a product from mushroom networks before? I've been looking into their stuff but I'm not sure if I'd like to purchase one for my office yet. Any input or review of their stuff would be helpful.

Thanks!
 
No, but I will be also interested in the feedback. I have heard good things about the Peplink load balancers, and I am planning to move in that direction. We are currently using a Draytek load balancer.
 
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