ADSL without line rental

Should Telkom sell naked ADSL (DSL without compulsary telephone line rental)

  • Yes

    Votes: 14 100.0%

  • No

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Unsure

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    14
UK line rental from BT? 10 quid. Do you need it for Broadband? Yes. Does it influence people to use BT Broadband? Maybe if they are uneducated with regards to broadband offerings, otherwise, no.

What are the differences? There might be more people that can provide you a line but otherwise its pretty much the same here. However overseas you dont pay for differing speeds of the line - a line in general provides 'up to 4mbs' speeds.

I think that we will be paying line rental for a long long time to come yet, but it would be a good start to do away with differing line rental costs for different speeds, and just go with the base cost. We all know the actual line isnt changing.
 
Why dont ISP's build their own network to the users homes?
 
inferno said:
Why dont ISP's build their own network to the users homes?
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I suspect purely because of cost.

How much do all those fibre rings cost to install?
And then maintenance afterwards.
And equipment costs to allow you to run your ADSL links

An example
The company I work for has a Neotel supplied optic fibre running at 10Meg. The monthly cost is around R20000.00 for this and it terminates on our router and the nearest MTN data centre. It also cost a fortune (memory says around R100k) to install, and all they did was run a fibre from the street to our data centre and splice it into the ring.
 
phoneJunky said:
Uhm, let me get this straight. If you get the all inclusive package from MWEB for R349 you don't have to pay the analogue line rental? I was under the impression that the R349 is for uncapped and ADSL connectivity and then you still have to pay the R131 for the line rental.
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If you get the all-inclusive, you don't pay the ADSL line rental of R152 to Telkom; you pay MWeb R349 for ADSL line rental and ADSL account.

No matter what option you take anywhere, anyhow, the R131 analogue line rental goes to Telkom.
 
eltherza said:
LLU will solve this problem eventually, give it time (lots of time)
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Nope it wont
All it may do is bring some costs down (the ADSL interconnectivity). You will always pay analogue ( local copper link to home) costs to someone and backbone (ADSL ) to someone else.
Only if each and every ISP runs their own link to the house (and frankly I currently prefer copper over wireless) this will remain the norm.

It is the backbone that needs to be changed. AKC, at a data comms conference many many years ago (in the mid '80's) said that Telkoms vision was wanted to move away from supplying a client line to controlling the backbone connectivity (or words along those line)

Allow the ISP to install their own links to the local exchange, their own DSLAM equipment etc and connect this to the copper (analogue) lines to the premises (in one or other form of supplier) then we will see further drops in cost
 
The time has come for the business heavy-weights to put their muscle into forcing Telkom into an invidious position that forces them to lower prices. We users are powerless against that monopoly. Telkom MUST be made to realise that renting out a copper wire that has been in place for the past 40+ years is nothing short of THEFT. An adaptor at a Telkom Exchange that provides the link to broadband surely costs only a few cents and once in place every cent thereafter is pure profit. We all know Telkom rakes in over R15-million every hour, and with an income like that, it can afford to lower prices.
 
Unfortunately it's only Theft if it's taken without permission and not handed over willingly, even if it is begrugingly so.
 
djrwb said:
And the grounds would be?
Are VOX not allowed from installing their own lines to their clients premises?
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The grounds would be that a client is not allowed to take ADSL as a stand alone product. So VOX cannot compete fairly with voice services as the Telkom voice service is compulsory.
 
TheGuy said:
The grounds would be that a client is not allowed to take ADSL as a stand alone product. So VOX cannot compete fairly with voice services as the Telkom voice service is compulsory.
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Whether you use the voice portion or not you will still need a piece of copper from the exchange to the premises. This is what Telkom are charging you for. The fact that it tied a telephone number allows Telkom to maintain and administer this piece of copper.

VOX could install their own piece of copper to premises, of course at that point that piece of copper has to go all way back to VOX's data centre.
Alternatively VOX could install a dedicated data line to the premises, (with the associated local lead, STU, Port fees, and trunk connectivity costs)

Of course this then pushes up the costs to the user
 
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