Affirmative Action here forever

nivek said:
oh but bad news for you, once the jobs have been removed from the evil whities, that'll only be 4 million jobs??? Where we going to get another 4 million? Ah yes, the indian population :)

unfortunately the ANC dont know the meaning of 'job creation'
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What's the issue with all these white people thinking that South Africa will somehow collapse in the long-run because of affirmative action, in fact the opposite would be true because like someone else mentioned, many have dual nationalities any way and don't care for South Africa.
Closet racists on this thread need to do all of us a favour and come out and openly declare their racism.
 
the point is currently the policy wants to redistribute the pie according to the ANC's agenda and not grow the pie. The current ee policies are one of the things that increase the cost of doing business in this country resulting in our very mediocre economic growth and high unemployment rate.
 
How can it be 'equity' when preference is given to blacks over other races?! It's just a disguised form of racism.
 
brixton tower said:
What's the issue with all these white people thinking that South Africa will somehow collapse in the long-run because of affirmative action, in fact the opposite would be true because like someone else mentioned, many have dual nationalities any way and don't care for South Africa.
Closet racists on this thread need to do all of us a favour and come out and openly declare their racism.
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Could it be because they see things are collapsing around them already. And it isn't just white people so don't stereotype.

You also assume that people with dual nationalities don't care about the country. I'm sure they do, especially if this is the land of their birth.

[I'll ignore the last daft paragraph:rolleyes: ]
 
nivek said:
unfortunately the ANC dont know the meaning of 'job creation'
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Yes. I would go a step further.

Africa has been unable to CREATE prosperous societies even after $580 billion is thrown their way from the west. AA notwithstanding!

One wonders what SA would look like today if the ANC had been in power since the dawning of SA 3 or 4 hundred years ago and where no colonials had come to SA in the first place?
 
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brixton tower said:
What's the issue with all these white people thinking that South Africa will somehow collapse in the long-run because of affirmative action, in fact the opposite would be true because like someone else mentioned, many have dual nationalities any way and don't care for South Africa.
Closet racists on this thread need to do all of us a favour and come out and openly declare their racism.
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Who said anything about the country callapsing? I have many black colleagues that got their jobs fairly and are more than capable.. I have many black intelligent friends..

But affirmative action isnt the way to go about doing things, it just takes UNSKILLED people and puts them in jobs they arent capable of doing..

Need an example? Home affairs, Telkom, Eskom, Department of Communications, ICASA, and every other government department and municipality, all rotting due to token appointments.

The problem with people like YOU and the rest of the ANC fan club on this forum is they cant handle accepting the fact that the ANC is wrong with most of its policies. When us 'racist whities' and the DA have something to say or would like to contribute opinions to the bettering of the country we get painted with the racist brush. The fact is most of us dont care what colour the leaders of this country are, we just want this country to operate like it should and not be dragged down due to corruption and bad policy.
 
And if anyone should come out and declare their racism, its the ANC LED GOVERNMENT, but nevermind, they have, subtly.
 
brixton tower said:
What's the issue with all these white people thinking that South Africa will somehow collapse in the long-run because of affirmative action, in fact the opposite would be true because like someone else mentioned, many have dual nationalities any way and don't care for South Africa.
Closet racists on this thread need to do all of us a favour and come out and openly declare their racism.
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Affirmative action does not work. AA has been tried in Canada and has been found wanting. In Calgary, for example, we are bleeding for police and EMS people because AA was applied in the past and not enough people of other colour or nationality would join the ranks.

Now they will practically take anyone who is breathing.
 
IamCanadian said:
Affirmative action does not work. AA has been tried in Canada and has been found wanting. In Calgary, for example, we are bleeding for police and EMS people because AA was applied in the past and not enough people of other colour or nationality would join the ranks.

Now they will practically take anyone who is breathing.
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i don't think there is a country in the world where AA is it is practised in this country would work.
 
If Princess Ivy and Manto arent examples of why affirmative action is stupid then i dont know what is..
 
brixton tower said:
What's the issue with all these white people thinking that South Africa will somehow collapse in the long-run because of affirmative action, in fact the opposite would be true because like someone else mentioned, many have dual nationalities any way and don't care for South Africa.
Closet racists on this thread need to do all of us a favour and come out and openly declare their racism.
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What do you think will happen when the most skilled, wealthy section of your population leaves? Are you expecting Utopia?
 
IamCanadian said:
One wonders what SA would look like today if the ANC had been in power since the dawning of SA 3 or 4 hundred years ago and where no colonials had come to SA in the first place?
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Well Ethiopia was never colonised, maybe like that? They're doing great! :rolleyes:
 
IamCanadian said:
Yes. I would go a step further.

Africa has been unable to CREATE prosperous societies even after $580 billion is thrown their way from the west. AA notwithstanding!

One wonders what SA would look like today if the ANC had been in power since the dawning of SA 3 or 4 hundred years ago and where no colonials had come to SA in the first place?
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The answer is staring you in the face.

Look at our neighbors, and that after white man's magic.

Just imagine what it would have been.
 
nivek said:
But affirmative action isnt the way to go about doing things, it just takes UNSKILLED people and puts them in jobs they arent capable of doing..

Need an example? Home affairs, Telkom, Eskom, Department of Communications, ICASA, and every other government department and municipality, all rotting due to token appointments.

The problem with people like YOU and the rest of the ANC fan club on this forum is they cant handle accepting the fact that the ANC is wrong with most of its policies. When us 'racist whities' and the DA have something to say or would like to contribute opinions to the bettering of the country we get painted with the racist brush. The fact is most of us dont care what colour the leaders of this country are, we just want this country to operate like it should and not be dragged down due to corruption and bad policy.
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So what alternative do you have to affirmative action? Let's keep the status quo until the day white people decide to share or do we wait for 20 years like Zimbabwe, pretending that things are good, until a corrupt politician decides to exploit the disparity between the owners and the owned.

Seriously though many young black people want to earn their positions and don't want to be tokens, I for one could not live with myself if I was appointed into a position for which I was not qualified.
The vibe I'm getting on this board is that every black person appointed to a position is second-guessed and presumed to be incompetent until he does a double black flip, still firmly landing on his feet.
 
brixton tower said:
Seriously though many young black people want to earn their positions and don't want to be tokens, I for one could not live with myself if I was appointed into a position for which I was not qualified.
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How hard is it to earn your position if its written in the south african law that black people should be chosen over white people ? Wasnt that one of the basics of apartheid?

The market has changed a lot since 1994 and I think if AA was removed, the best person will be appointed for the job regardless of colour.
 
There's nothing wrong with AA. It's a fantastic concept aimed at righting wrongs of the past and making sure people are able to find their way in the world without being disadvantaged by their backgrounds and financial status.

It's been mishandled badly. Even Trevor admits that people have missed the plot and mostly used it as a flimy excuse to put up billboards saying "Now 23% BEE!" which is ridiculous.

Things were done wrong in the past. It's right to fix the wrongs but wrong to fix them badly.
 
dlk001 said:
Which Law says black people should be chosen over white people? Why don't you challenge it with Human Rights Commission if its unfair and unjust?
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Guess you don't know your constitution, do you?
 
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