Affirmative Action here forever

BobbyMac said:
xtermin8or. Though I appreciate that you may not be very intelligent, please note the following: you tried to use your wife's experience as a point. It would have been fair enough, BUT, like an idiot you actually tried to tell us that a person fresh out of Matric was appointed as your wife's manager. Either that kid was a whizkid or more likely you're full of it (as per usual). And it ain't just me who saw through your BS sunshine. So if you wish to stress a point, keep within the bounds of the topic and don't try and draw in fictional stories to back up your so-called 'facts', okay?
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is this your argument - I provided you with an anecdote, of what actually happened to my wife - believe it, don't believe it, that is your choice. But my point stands

As I now see that I overestimated your intelligence - I will rather continue this discussion with someone on the same intellectual level as myself, I suggest you do the same, and as the Zoo opens around 9, you'd better get down there soon, before you lose your place to one of your peers, like Eugene Terreblanche, Piet "skiet" Rudolph, or Barend Strydom
 
Yes it is mighty hard work to keep a people oppressed for such a long time
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xtermin8or said:
As I now see that I overestimated your intelligence - I will rather continue this discussion with someone on the same intellectual level as myself, I suggest you do the same, and as the Zoo opens around 9, you'd better get down there soon, before you lose your place to one of your peers, like Eugene Terreblanche, Piet "skiet" Rudolph, or Barend Strydom
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Xtermin8or, you are your own enemy! Have you ever considered that it could be your bitter attitude that's at fault. You are oppressing yourself!
 
RichardP said:
The well educated black-man RESENTS the fact that he got his job based on Tokenism, and wont join a company where he is treated as "Just an AA candidate", so how does AA help?
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No, it definitely does not help in this instance. You have a good point indeed. Why do some company continue with tokenism? Why can't companies employ an AA candidate instead of less skilled person?

RichardP said:
Most of the AA candidates I have worked with know that they are AA tokens and they dont tow the line - they in fact know that they wont AND cant get fired.
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The one side is that the employees know they can't be fired. The other side is that the bosses hired them as tokens and won't fire them. Its very silly.

I have seen black employees being managed-out for towing the line. Its very difficult to fire an employee regardless of color, so I guess managing them out made sense to the boss at the time.
 
xtermin8or said:
is this your argument - I provided you with an anecdote, of what actually happened to my wife - believe it, don't believe it, that is your choice. But my point stands

As I now see that I overestimated your intelligence - I will rather continue this discussion with someone on the same intellectual level as myself, I suggest you do the same, and as the Zoo opens around 9, you'd better get down there soon, before you lose your place to one of your peers, like Eugene Terreblanche, Piet "skiet" Rudolph, or Barend Strydom
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ROFL. You know what's really sad: you're the one hung up with being a minority and you don't know how to deal with it. You've learnt that the ANC government doesn't give a **** about you unless you're Black (which you maintain you're not). Poor you. As for my "peers" - your prejudiced assumptions are really paramount to your inadequacies as a man. I pity your wife. For the record, buddy, I am a coloured - so bang goes your theory about me.
 
BobbyMac said:
ROFL. You know what's really sad: you're the one hung up with being a minority and you don't know how to deal with it. You've learnt that the ANC government doesn't give a **** about you unless you're Black (which you maintain you're not). Poor you. As for my "peers" - your prejudiced assumptions are really paramount to your inadequacies as a man. I pity your wife. For the record, buddy, I am a coloured - so bang goes your theory about me.
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and what has that got to do with my theory about you - you still remain the same ignorant fumbling dweeb I spoke about earlier.

I am not hung up with being a part of the minority, I am proud of being a part of the minority, I do not always agree with the ANC, but do agree with some of their policies which are aimed at orrecting the imbalances of the past. As a coloured person, you would have suffered those injustices, unless you were an impimpi or a ja baas
 
xtermin8or said:
and what has that got to do with my theory about you - you still remain the same ignorant fumbling dweeb I spoke about earlier.

I am not hung up with being a part of the minority, I am proud of being a part of the minority, I do not always agree with the ANC, but do agree with some of their policies which are aimed at orrecting the imbalances of the past. As a coloured person, you would have suffered those injustices, unless you were an impimpi or a ja baas
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You second on the list and you complaining!! Idiot.
 
he has to because the baas looked after him good in the good old days, give him some names of the terrorists and he gets some nice red wine
 
xtermin8or said:
and what has that got to do with my theory about you - you still remain the same ignorant fumbling dweeb I spoke about earlier.

I am not hung up with being a part of the minority, I am proud of being a part of the minority, I do not always agree with the ANC, but do agree with some of their policies which are aimed at orrecting the imbalances of the past. As a coloured person, you would have suffered those injustices, unless you were an impimpi or a ja baas
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I'm a fumbling dweeb? You're the one trying to reach for examples to stress your point, yet those examples are laughable! And you're like an ANC 'yes man' mate - more to the point, you're a T-Bone 'yes man'. I, unlike you, value all people willing to contribute - and I also know that the White Man has contributed more to this country than will ever be appreciated. I also appreciate that Afrikaaners are uniquely African, and that their contributions to this country and to the world far outweigh the negatives of the last 50 years. So, take your Affirmative Action loving minority ass and get with the program. Affirmative Action is being abused by all races (black, white, indian and yes - even coloureds) - taking it beyond the point of actually doing what it was intended - it is broken, and no amount of force from a government will ever fix it.

As for correcting the imbalances of the past - you seem to be stuck on the past, and as long as South Africans remain fixated on the past - it doesn't have a future. As for my "ignorance", you've attempted to hide your ignorance with the use of bad "real-world" examples - and that is an ignorant feat even I won't ignore. Pompous, arrogant fool.
 
Affirmative Action is a policy used to attain Employment Equity, that is that jobs in the workplace must be equitable to the people in the country - a win-win situation for everyone. It is as simple as that.

As for your admiration and love for the white man, no-one is saying that the white man has contributed nothing to this country, but they are responsible for some of the worst attrocities this country has ever seen, and so they are not being kicked out of the country or their wealth has not been seized and redistributed - for all intents and purpouses they got off very lightly for their crimes against humanity ( Remember that the owners of most of the wealth today had some hand in exploitation during Apartheid ). For this the white man should be thankful - but in a typical western attitude he doesn't understand the spirit of Ubuntu and sees this as weakness and as an opportunity to return the country to white rule. Is this what you really want, as you are playing into their hands - or is it the situation where the kidnapped falls for the kidnapper, in this case the oppressed falls for the oppressor.

I will say this again, the situation my wife found herself in is in fact true, and you know it is happening out there, the company she worked for was not an IT company, she had a job in the IT dept of the company - and maybe they didn't realise the importance o fhaving a qualified person in the position, and I would not be surprised if they still have her listed as an employee to get their figures up
 
And how about the British that commited far worse attocrities in the Anglo Boer war (killing 27 000 women and children) why cant the Afrikaners have a share in their companies ? it's only fair, in the spirit of Ubuntu.
what crimes against humanity ? where are the mass graves ?
 
protzkrog said:
And how about the British that commited far worse attocrities in the Anglo Boer war (killing 27 000 women and children) why cant the Afrikaners have a share in their companies ? it's only fair, in the spirit of Ubuntu.
what crimes against humanity ? where are the mass graves ?
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careful, your ignorance is showing through - Apartheid has been declared a crime against humanity

Were the Afrikaners not compensated for the attrocities during the Anglo-Boer war ?
 
dlk001 said:
No, it definitely does not help in this instance. You have a good point indeed. Why do some company continue with tokenism? Why can't companies employ an AA candidate instead of less skilled person?
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Skills come from Education.... Education costs alot of cash... so insted of hitting companies with a big stick, why doesnt the Government invest cash in the people? No education in SA is for free...hence, the opressed people cant afford to get skilled.... hence no jobs... ad nauseum. You reap what you sow. You cant expect a compant to emplot someone with less skill and train them as all that happens is that there is 1 person training the newbie (so 1 resource is out of action) and after training, the newbie leaves for more cash as he is now 'trained'

Companies have absolutely no return on investment.
 
If we knew then what we know now. The NP should have forced the Anglo's, de Beers of the time to give 25% to Africkaners ... FOR FREE.
 
xtermin8or said:
careful, your ignorance is showing through - Apartheid has been declared a crime against humanity

Were the Afrikaners not compensated for the attrocities during the Anglo-Boer war ?
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3 million pounds...so thats 111 pounds for every woman and child that the British murdered...not to mention all the farms destroyed and livestock killed

but ja, why cant Afrikaners have a share in British companies ?
 
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