Afrihost - Seriously Misleading...

the law also states that you have to get permission from the person before you can check their private details
 
Hi,
apart from the fact that I find some of the replies rather amusing I don't see the problem with sending my ID to a ISP...

Or is there?
 
electrofreeze + Smokey_sa:

a) its standard practice to do so.
b) the op has confessed that he was wrong and misunderstood the context of pre-paid and topup.
c) seriously let the dead horse be.
 
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Necuno said:
electrofreeze + Smokey_sa:

a) its standard practice to do so.
b) the op has confessed that he was wrong and misunderstood the context of pre-paid and topup.
c) seriously let the dead horse be.
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As I said I don't see the problem with sending my ID. I faxed it through and after 10 min I had my login.

No problem with that.

I think the admin should close this thread
 
There are serious privacy issues regarding sending through your ID to someone you don't know.
 
deweyzeph said:
There are serious privacy issues regarding sending through your ID to someone you don't know.
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Well I don't know, but you are hesitant to sent them a copy of your ID but haven't got an issue with providing your bank details or credit card?

Maybe it's just me ...
 
deweyzeph said:
There are serious privacy issues regarding sending through your ID to someone you don't know.
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Afrihost isn't just a unkown persion-

why do they ask for ID ?

1) too much fraud
2) fica/rica
3) confirmation of client's Identity

please try and get a simcard nowadays without showing an ID, tv license, bank account, water and electricity, credit card, store cards, club cards, credit record or tax number and so on. geez really i mean stop being such a dramaqueen, dead horse beater and souding like a broken record. one can clearly see some people have too much time on their hands to just yap about things allready cleard out. take note this isn't mxit or facebook please.
 
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As far as I know according to SA law we are not obliged to give copies of our ID's to anyone this includes banks etc, we have just become so used to doing this we never query it. Companies should only be verifying by looking at your ID!

I did not like the fact Afrihost wan't copies of I.D. they do not offer accounts or credit so there is no reason to ask for it.
 
deweyzeph said:
There are serious privacy issues regarding sending through your ID to someone you don't know.
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Fortunately for you, paranoia is not necessarily a personality disorder. It can have real medical causes that can be successfully treated.
 
bradz said:
As far as I know according to SA law we are not obliged to give copies of our ID's to anyone this includes banks etc, we have just become so used to doing this we never query it. Companies should only be verifying by looking at your ID!

I did not like the fact Afrihost wan't copies of I.D. they do not offer accounts or credit so there is no reason to ask for it.
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so what you saying. companies should only be verifying by looking at your ID? isn't that what they do when they ask for you ID ?

you do know it isn't just afrihost ?
Please be advised that effective 12 February there will be some minor changes to the client signup process.

All new signups will be required to provide one of the following;

1. South African ID Number
2. Passport Number
3. Company Registration Number

This information is required to lower the risk of fraudulent occurrences, and in so doing offer a better service.
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so what section is this "law" you speak of. mind finding and qouting the section ?
 
now please read this and try to remember it.

“The RIC Act 70 of 2002 prescribes customer identification and retention requirements on both ISPs (and other providers of telecommunication services like Telkom) and cell phone providers,” said Buys.

According to section 39 of the RICA a telecommunications service provider must, before entering to a contract with any person:

--Obtain his or her full names, identity number, residential and business or postal address

--Obtain a certified photocopy of his or her identification document on which his or her photo, full names and identity number, whichever is applicable, appear;

--Retain the photocopy obtained

--Verify the photo, full names and identity number, whichever is applicable, of that person with reference to his or her identification document

The same type of information should be obtained, verified and kept for business clients.

Telecommunications Service Providers are also required to keep records of:

--All the information obtained during the registration process

--the telephone number or any other number allocated to the person concerned

--Any other information in respect of the person concerned which the telecommunication service provider concerned may require in order to enable him or her to identify that person.

There are very few ISPs who currently adhere to all of the requirements of the RICA, and this may come to haunt them at a later stage if the state decides to start policing the implementation of the Act.


http://mybroadband.co.za/news/Telecoms/8643.html
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I have one of these free fax 2 email numbers.

So the other day a random fax comes through. Its certified copy of some ones ID document.

What stops me from signing up with afrihost with her name and surname and email that copy to afrihost and enter some unsuspected person's bank details for the debit order?

NOTHING! They will only be able to trace me via ip when afrihost gets a sipina to get that from my ISP.

SO this does not prevent fraud at ALL!

*And don't tell me that the bank will deny the debit order cause they won't.

**Ive done a test. I'm very good friends with my neighbour. He reckons activating a debit order without his signed consent is NOT possible! So I proved him wrong. I paid him R145 and said wait for the sms from FNB.
I signed up @ mweb no questions asked by just knowing
1. account number
2. Which bank
3. What account type savings/transmission/cheque

He was billed successfully and I canceled the account with Mweb.

Its SOOOOOOO easy to commit direct fraud with debit order. the most shocking part! None of the details I have given Mweb was valid info. The address didn't exist nor the the first name or the ID number for that matter!

So how is a copy of your ID going to stop fraud? And this is possible with many ISP's. i know a couple of them. So mweb is not the only one!
 
cavedog said:
I have one of these free fax 2 email numbers.

So the other day a random fax comes through. Its certified copy of some ones ID document.

What stops me from signing up with afrihost with her name and surname and email that copy to afrihost and enter some unsuspected person's bank details for the debit order?

NOTHING! They will only be able to trace me via ip when afrihost gets a sipina to get that from my ISP.

SO this does not prevent fraud at ALL!

*And don't tell me that the bank will deny the debit order cause they won't.

**Ive done a test. I'm very good friends with my neighbour. He reckons activating a debit order without his signed consent is NOT possible! So I proved him wrong. I paid him R145 and said wait for the sms from FNB.
I signed up @ mweb no questions asked by just knowing
1. account number
2. Which bank
3. What account type savings/transmission/cheque

He was billed successfully and I canceled the account with Mweb.

Its SOOOOOOO easy to commit direct fraud with debit order. the most shocking part! None of the details I have given Mweb was valid info. The address didn't exist nor the the first name or the ID number for that matter!

So how is a copy of your ID going to stop fraud? And this is possible with many ISP's. i know a couple of them. So mweb is not the only one!
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and your point is? the person on the other side of the line is not omnipresent btw. they can only go on what is given to them and if it matches well tough **** it matched.

it is not like they will drive out to your location and do a face to face verification or a dna match and of course it is easy to go and commit fraud. no-one is contesting that. the fact is this is standard practice and required by rica whether or not you like it- get with the program or leave it. going on and on and on like a broken record will not change that fact, period. i suggest you take it up with rica and see how far you get with your non-compliance.

on the other hand you ahead and have fun with using other person's details, but don't come and complain when you become someone's wife in prison.
 
Necuno said:
and your point is? the person on the other side of the line is not omnipresent btw. they can only go on what is given to them and if it matches well tough **** it matched.

it is not like they will drive out to your location and do a face to face verification or a dna match and of course it is easy to go and commit fraud. no-one is contesting that. the fact is this is standard practice and required by rica whether or not you like it- get with the program or leave it. going on and on and on like a broken record will not change that fact, period. i suggest you take it up with rica and see how far you get with your non-compliance.

on the other hand you ahead and have fun with using other person's details, but don't come and complain when you become someone's wife in prison.
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Lol I will thanks. Maybe that person might be you! :erm:

Anyways. I wasn't attacking you. I was just trying to say that Its not general practice! None of my ISP's has EVER asked for a copy of my ID. And I was proofing that the copy of ID is completely useless to prevent fraud so why do it?
 
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They do it because it is required by law, and they would be shut down if they were not compliant.
 
Agreed. Necuno, I really don't see how you thought Cavedog was saying that it is not "standard practice and required by rica". I have signed up for many debit orders over the years on behalf of my work, and at least 50% of them just required me sign the various forms and give my name and "my" bank details (which was my work)... and bob's your uncle, I was receiving their services and having my works bank account debited without any checks to see if it was my account. I am glad though that they are at least trying to prevent fraud with ID checks.
 
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