jackshiels
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CPT IPC is a must - please make sure it happens!
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Ping to EU servers went up from 178ms to +-250ms.
Pinging cpt servers are slower ( 60ms - 70ms ) than pinging jhb servers ( 48 ms ). This is pinging from cpt.
This is not an issue for normal internet usage at all. But playing online games internationally or even local for that matter really went down the tubes.
I am sure they will fix it in time, I was just stating the obvious of telling your clients about the problems.
I am sure they will fix it in time, I was just stating the obvious of telling your clients about the problems.
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Yeah CPT servers being slower would make sense - since you're going from CT to JHB IPC via telkom, then back to CT via MTN.
Based on your numbers, I'm guessing latency from CT to JB via MTN is about 15ms, compared to 40ms or so on the telkom backhaul network... so you could expect the international pings to drop 25ms or so once the traffic goes via MTN to joburg?
My pings (jhb) to the europe D3 servers average 200ms.
Peering at CPT (eg: cinx) will make a huge difference. There are a lot of ISP's that Peer with cinx and therefore it's not _just_ cpt hosted servers, a lot of peering goes direct from CPT to overseas without passing via JHB
eg: on WA
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traceroute to www.hetzner.de (213.133.107.227), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
1 192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1) 0.522 ms 0.420 ms 0.484 ms
2 wrbs-ip-esr-2.ipnet.wa.co.za (41.185.88.1) 6.504 ms 11.351 ms 13.214 ms
3 wnls-ipc1-vl-108.wa.co.za (196.220.59.238) 47.169 ms 47.017 ms 46.980 ms
4 wnls-cr1-vl-801.wa.co.za (41.185.0.67) 44.062 ms 43.822 ms 26.867 ms
5 41-66-150-41-29.wc-ro-dce-1-to-web001-cpe.africainx.net (41.66.150.41) 46.552 ms 51.809 ms 46.678 ms
6 core_gb-ld-te-dce-1_to_gb-ld-gs-dce-1_abovenet_p2p__10g.gb (41.84.12.127) 216.502 ms core_gb-ld-te-dce-1_to_gb-ld-gs-dce-1_abovenet_p2p__10g.gb (41.84.12.129) 220.209 ms core_gb-ld-te-dce-1_to_gb-ld-gs-dce-1_abovenet_p2p__10g.gb (41.84.12.127) 214.351 ms
...That doesnt route via JHB to go international.
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traceroute to www.google.co.za (74.125.233.24), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
1 192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1) 0.589 ms 0.453 ms 0.470 ms
2 wrbs-ip-esr-2.ipnet.wa.co.za (41.185.88.1) 6.203 ms 10.814 ms 12.938 ms
3 wnls-ipc1-vl-105.wa.co.za (196.220.59.250) 41.091 ms 41.030 ms 40.927 ms
4 wnls-cr1-vl-801.wa.co.za (41.185.0.67) 64.985 ms 64.906 ms 64.806 ms
5 wbrs-csw1-vl-140.wa.co.za (41.185.1.5) 63.681 ms 63.584 ms 63.477 ms
6 google.cinx.net.za (196.223.22.41) 71.860 ms 70.014 ms 69.891 ms
7 64.233.174.105 (64.233.174.105) 40.170 ms 66.102 ms 63.452 ms
8 cpt01s01-in-f24.1e100.net (74.125.233.24) 69.302 ms 38.103 ms 46.037 msEG: traceroute to google.com from a server hosted in the Newlands Hetzner datacenter (MTN)
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traceroute to www.google.com (74.125.233.19), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 41.203.4.89 (41.203.4.89) 0.227 ms * 0.328 ms
2 196.30.77.74 (196.30.77.74) 1.048 ms 1.109 ms 1.122 ms
3 196.40.104.65 (196.40.104.65) 1.011 ms 1.059 ms 1.071 ms
4 (196.7.21.34) 1.196 ms 1.190 ms 1.187 ms
5 tb-cr-1--ct-cr-1-a.mtnns.net (196.44.31.210) 2.053 ms 2.050 ms 2.047 ms
6 196.44.0.74 (196.44.0.74) 1.172 ms 2.546 ms 2.510 ms
7 * 74.125.49.218 (74.125.49.218) 2.562 ms 2.574 ms
8 64.233.174.105 (64.233.174.105) 2.702 ms 2.716 ms 2.783 ms
9 cpt01s01-in-f19.1e100.net (74.125.233.19) 2.578 ms 2.634 ms 2.666 ms
...EG: traceroute to www.amazon.com from server above
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traceroute to www.amazon.com (176.32.98.166), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 * * *
2 196.30.77.74 (196.30.77.74) 0.905 ms * 1.024 ms
3 196.40.104.65 (196.40.104.65) 0.870 ms 0.902 ms *
4 (196.7.21.34) 0.912 ms 0.926 ms *
5 tb-nt-1--jp-nt-1-b.mtnns.net (196.44.31.158) 1.895 ms 1.892 ms 1.888 ms
6 lt-cr-1.uk--tb-cr-2-a.uk.mtn.net (196.44.31.213) 162.220 ms 162.157 ms 162.130 ms
....traceroute from Afrihosts MTN to amazon.com
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traceroute to www.amazon.com (176.32.98.166), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
1 dsl-gw (192.168.1.1) 0.506 ms 0.308 ms 0.310 ms
2 105-236-9-65-esr-lo.mtnbusiness.co.za (105.236.9.65) 6.999 ms 6.712 ms 6.690 ms
3 ipc-recieve-rb-4a.za.mtnbusiness.net (41.181.178.89) 66.152 ms 29.563 ms 54.507 ms
4 rb-cr-1.za--rb-dca-1.za-a.mtnns.net (196.44.0.146) 58.663 ms
rb-dca-2.za--rb-cr-1.za-a.mtnns.net (196.44.31.120) 68.993 ms 32.402 ms
5 jh-cr-1.za--rb-cr-2.za.mtnns.net (196.44.0.42) 73.865 ms 33.098 ms 50.991 ms
6 qux-jh-dca-2.za-b.za.mtnbusiness.net (41.181.165.115) 53.679 ms 31.128 ms 32.209 ms
7 xe-4-1-0.edge5.amsterdam1.level3.net (212.72.41.89) 222.533 ms 251.050 ms 225.181 ms
...Bounces around jhb before it even leaves SA.
Obviously the routing via a CPT IPC for MTN adsl will be slightly different to Hetzner but it's the same backbone and clearly they have international routes from CPT - most of the international pipes are located in the Western Cape anyway... I stand corrected, however.
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Hmm, I think you're right!
Didn't realise the likes of google were plugged straight into cinx...
Whats the chances we will ever see 170MS again pinging EU servers?
Someone was asking me earlier which ISP is best for gaming i was pointing towards Afrihost then i needed to change my mind because since this new MTN network the latency is like 100ms more than what it use to be, so i pointed the person towards mweb sadly.
Any other ISP's still using IS other than MWEB and Openweb? I really can't take this latency anymore, i am using a backup MWEB account more than my Afrihost Uncapped account lately.
Someone was asking me earlier which ISP is best for gaming i was pointing towards Afrihost then i needed to change my mind because since this new MTN network the latency is like 100ms more than what it use to be, so i pointed the person towards mweb sadly.
Any other ISP's still using IS other than MWEB and Openweb? I really can't take this latency anymore, i am using a backup MWEB account more than my Afrihost Uncapped account lately.
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MWEB does not use IS, they are their own network.. and for CPT in my experience MWEB > IS
hmmmm, i was with MWEB but not again the accounts are cool and all but wow the customer service.. outch.
Indeed it takes like a week to get anything out of email support. MWEB Guy is MWEB's saviour I think though always a quick response from them. If it werent for their prices I'd stick to MWEB.
I am not a gamer so latency is not life and death for me. I do a lot of work remotely so that's where it's important but I can deal with it for now.
Yea the thing that worries me is just we had 170ms before and it was awesome! now we get like 250ms it's like being back in the stone age.
Those who play wow will know above 200 is yellow and below gets green latency, and it was so awesome receiving the green bar
Yea the thing that worries me is just we had 170ms before and it was awesome! now we get like 250ms it's like being back in the stone age.
Those who play wow will know above 200 is yellow and below gets green latency, and it was so awesome receiving the green bar
Indeed.. pings over 200ms internationally (EU) are pretty poor for even SA standards these days.
grim
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The lowest I've ever seen to EU was 195ms and that was to D3 servers on the MTN network, used to get 205ms on the IS network.
I think once they've sorted out all the routing on the network we'll seem some decent pings.
I can't speak for gaming but I see 160ms pings to googles international servers on MWEB quite frequently.
Has anyone checked out our latest press announcement?
I won't spoil the surprise ...
http://mybroadband.co.za/news/adsl/63102-afrihost-slashes-uncapped-unshaped-adsl-prices.html
I won't spoil the surprise ...
http://mybroadband.co.za/news/adsl/63102-afrihost-slashes-uncapped-unshaped-adsl-prices.html
pardon my ignorance but precisely what _is_ shaped on the normal uncapped accounts - which ports?
grim
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They don't shape on ports, they shape on protocol. So normally P2P would be shaped the most.
I see.. well im quite happy with my p2p speeds so I guess no major point
it's not going to help latency
Penquin
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Still terrible ping and even worst speed: 4MB uncapped
A whole month now of crap internet. Can I get my R697 back please?
A whole month now of crap internet. Can I get my R697 back please?
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