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Sinbad said:
Well, given the ability for whatever handles the authentication/IP allocation etc (radius?) to also say "this is a 4mb account" to something that then manages the bandwidth, surely as part of that process, QoS tiers/levels/whatever can ALSO be applied at individual account level?
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The last time I checked, I know it wasn't possible unless you coming in on a static address, connecting to the same router and the same interface. QoS is applied to interface via an access-list. Sometimes DoS attacks to an IP or IP range of addresses also cause latency on a network and trust me...it can have a HUGE and a ripple effect on the entire network because lots of traffic needs to be re-routed and causes a degradation in service, high latency and huge congestion.

So ISPs - if the 2nd level engineers know what they doing - really try and minimise the amount of downtime especially when the Telkom backbone goes down. Most cases on the Telkom network, they guarantee speeds between yourself and the closest exchange you connect to after that...you fight for bandwith like everyone else. Same with ISPs...they apply the same principle.

Hope this makes sense.
 
roadcat said:
Agreed 110% with this, you can't discriminate against a user who does 10Gb a month on 10mb line, but is severely constrained on downloads, P2P and torrents. That is the issue with general QoS implementations.

Surely the QoS can use the line credentials to do this? i.e. [email protected]. This does not change like the IP addresses would.
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Read my response to Sinbad I just posted re QoS...
 
Thing is you're talking about QoS at the edge router, I assume?

Surely whatever manages the caps/traffic/speed/etc isn't that ESR, but is some other funky device inside the MTN network?
 
Sinbad said:
Thing is you're talking about QoS at the edge router, I assume?

Surely whatever manages the caps/traffic/speed/etc isn't that ESR, but is some other funky device inside the MTN network?
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Whatever that funky device is, I don't think the ability is there to block right down to port level. Like I said, when you access the network, your entry point may be the same but you are not hard-coded(IP / MAC addie) to a specific port, not like a device that is configured with a specific address(reserved IP address). This why the QoS is rather applied to a device at an interface level and unfortunately even the innocent ones have to suffer the consequences. There are Corps out there who will not be affected by this as the ADSL is configured to specific interfaces on the GW routers and they then get freedom to do whatever they please. Where ISPs really do something is when these Corp clients connectivity problems come in hard and fast and they need to do something PRONTO!
 
bradlesliect said:
Whatever that funky device is, I don't think the ability is there to block right down to port level. Like I said, when you access the network, your entry point may be the same but you are not hard-coded(IP / MAC addie) to a specific port, not like a device that is configured with a specific address(reserved IP address). This why the QoS is rather applied to a device at an interface level and unfortunately even the innocent ones have to suffer the consequences. There are Corps out there who will not be affected by this as the ADSL is configured to specific interfaces on the GW routers and they then get freedom to do whatever they please. Where ISPs really do something is when these Corp clients connectivity problems come in hard and fast and they need to do something PRONTO!
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Well it can definitely manage traffic at individual IP level - since you can get 4mbps throughput on a 10mbps line, if you have a 4mbps account?
 
Sinbad said:
Well it can definitely manage traffic at individual IP level - since you can get 4mbps throughput on a 10mbps line, if you have a 4mbps account?
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Not really...its your account details that determine that...When you authenticate with the ISP Authentication Server, it pulls through your credentials and your permission...almost like when you log onto a domain...your access level depends on how your account has been configured.

This is why...not sure if you experienced it...when the ISP and/or Telkom do resets on your account, they need your Telephone Num and/or your UserID. They do a quick check on the UserID and see which port and on which device you are connected to. They then drop(on cisco router you would apply the command of shutdown/ no shutdown) that interface so it can get rid of the connection and grab back the address assigned and when you connect again, you on a completely different port and in most cases a different IP.
 
Hey AFRIMAN...now is a good time for you to jump into this discussion!!! It starting to look like I'm defending the ISPs out there.
 
bradlesliect said:
Not really...its your account details that determine that...When you authenticate with the ISP Authentication Server, it pulls through your credentials and your permission...almost like when you log onto a domain...your access level depends on how your account has been configured.
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I know this. Point is, there is some device on the network somewhere that throttles that particular IP address/router port/whatever you want to call it to a certain speed once you are authenticated. Surely this same device can also apply some form of QoS/shaping at that same level?
 
Sinbad said:
I know this. Point is, there is some device on the network somewhere that throttles that particular IP address/router port/whatever you want to call it to a certain speed once you are authenticated. Surely this same device can also apply some form of QoS/shaping at that same level?
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That I'll leave to the ISP network support guys to answer. I'm just answering based on experience of being a 2nd Level Support Network Engineer a few years back for various ISPs and back then there was no such capability but then again at that time ADSL was still very new to the SA market and you could literally "eat as much as you want".
 
I haven't been monitoring actively so don't have a clue whats been said over the last few weeks.

On my side, initial feelings after the move to MTN were positive. Good download speeds during the day and excellent at night.

However I have seen a quick reversal of that now - and on a 4MB line my nntp downloads are throttled down to +- 120KB/s.

This persists well into the evening, and it is only really late at night that I do get full line speed.
MTD I have done only 70GB.

Afrihost (pre MTN) was a different kettle of fish...
 
unwired said:
I haven't been monitoring actively so don't have a clue whats been said over the last few weeks.

On my side, initial feelings after the move to MTN were positive. Good download speeds during the day and excellent at night.

However I have seen a quick reversal of that now - and on a 4MB line my nntp downloads are throttled down to +- 120KB/s.

This persists well into the evening, and it is only really late at night that I do get full line speed.
MTD I have done only 70GB.

Afrihost (pre MTN) was a different kettle of fish...
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I speak under correction but just we depend on a Service Provider for a particular service they too depend on a Provider to provide service and as you go up SLA kicks in and you per SLA (bronze / Silver / Gold / Plantinum) and everything is SLA dependant.

Eventually it becomes a politcal game and a case of "who has the most money, influence and biggest @#%$". That unfortunately how the world works.
 
YO DUDE!!! AFRIMAN!!! WHERE ARE YOU??!!! Gian...come on man! I know you watching this thread.
 
Can someone explain why I need to keep resetting my router to get up to speed.
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Also is there a way to display pictures in the post instead of linking to a pic?
 
al4bb said:
Can someone explain why I need to keep resetting my router to get up to speed.
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Did anyone else notice that the slow one said MTN Business, and the fast one said MTN Business Solutions.
I wonder if this is something that everyone has missed. Looks like 2 different networks by the looks of it. why would there be 2 different names?
 
It's a little more complicated that what is being mentioned here, and I'll try and give as much information at risk of speaking out of turn. Firstly, the system is setup up by a team of engineers, so that's a whole lot people, who are a whole lot smarter than me, working a whole lot harder as well!! Also, it is a system (network) of devices, software and settings, that come together.

What I do know is that the system can be very complex, but the more complexity, the more difficult it is to be pro-active or reactive. With things being still fairly new, we're trying to keep it simple so we can make changes on the fly. As we stabilise the network, and we have more info on when bandwidth is being used, how is it being used, how do we distinguish between protocols and signatures, we'll be able to add layers of complexity to the system to enable it to do this.

As far as I know we do recognise authentication by the ADSL line and the ADSL username. But to base individual rules on each user would be an insanely mammoth system to administer, and very difficult to make changes to. So we have to find ways of grouping clients into categories, and we need to identify fair and practical ways of doing this. Ideally, if this could all be entirely system driven and infinitely complex, that would be great, but even a expensive system like this (which is the same as used by other major ISP's) can be bogged down in layers of complexity, which can have the opposite effect if it stops working in real time and is delayed by a significant amount of time. With tens of thousands of users, simple is faster and better.
 
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Hey dudes

I'm on a 2meg data + line account from afrihost. Youtube streams at full speed, but when i try download drivers and such, it downloads at 512kbps(60KB/s) down. Is it my side or Afrihost's side?
 
I'm seeing packet loss. Have sent details to the mybb afrihost email address...
 
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