AfriHost uncapped ADSL here soon

wHiTe*LiGhTnInG said:
Why cant they also just make a local uncapped account that could be a little cheaper. Alot of work gets done locally anyways. I would buy just a local uncapped, as would alot of other people.
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What is a "local uncapped account"? For local servers? Like banks, businesses and a few other minor players. For most internet users, local is useless.
 
burn said:
Come on Telkom, step up to the plate and drop the dual line rental and the prices....
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Didn't there used to be laws against product tying in this country? What Telkom is doing is obviously product tying. They won't drop the dual line rental because they make money off every connection 'no matter what' -- it's not subject to the competition. Lower prices may increase economies of scale, but the only sum they need to do is to maximise P = L * N where L is net line rental income and N is number of connections country-wide (and P is super mega profits).
 
Quentinb said:
Well, to make a very long story short, Afrihost (IS) will not allow us to SMTP using their BW! They for some aparent reason think that our company is a "spammer" when we reply to our clients emails. Using SAIX we did not have a days trouble but their prices are high. (Afrihost is 50% cheaper for us)

From the day we switched to Afrihost (IS) we were unable to send email and I contacted IS myself this week, after receiving support replies from Afrihost like "Intermitend connectivity on ADSL will affect sending email..." and "You cannot have more than 5 recipients per email" and "The mail size limit is 2MB". (This is where the MWeb fine print is by the way :wtf:)

Come now, we run a business for crying out loud, we have over 70 users and we need to send 14 emails to reach all of them and it cannot be in the same hour with a size limit of 2MB??

In all this, I must thank WebAfrica for comming to the party, they helped me a huge amount this week making special arrangements wrt this issue.

Thanks WebAfrica!
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You run a 70-user business and you're using a consumer DSL product ISP for your mail server!? No offence, but hire some IT guys who know what they're doing, or you most certainly will have problems. As for the facts you claim, they sound dubious to me ... I find it hard to believe that their mail server has a 2MB mail size limit. (I use Afrihost, but we have our own mail server.)
 
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Patty said:
Um no.... I've been overseas to a few countries and uncapped super fast internet is the standard!
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I was in Germany a while back and while the connection where I stayed wasn't strictly uncapped, but the cap was huge, something like 60GB, quite reasonable in my view (and I don't think it was a hard cap, just an advertised limit). Likewise in Belgium it was about 30GB (IIRC) and purchasing additional 30GB's was very cheap. Speeds were around 8Mbit --- and you actually got that most the time. Pricing in the range of roughly R200 - R300/month IIRC (total, no 'extras' like forced voice line rental). So ja, 8Mbit,60GB 'soft cap',R300 vs 384Kbit,+/-R500, we have a loooong way to go. And those European connections are considered slow these days ... Japan, South Korea etc., that's what we should be benchmarking ourselves against.

Note also that our silly 384Kbit speed creates an 'effective cap' of around 100GB/month, which in our context would somewhat mitigate the type of problem Rupert Bryant refers to with overseas companies advertising 'unlimited', since that's in the context of multi-Mbit connections where a heavy downloader could potentially use Tbytes/month. With these new SAn 'unlimited' offerings, I especially doubt we're about to see the 384 joke get increased. A 384kbit "unlimited" SAn plan is in fact a 100GB cap, basically --- so they can do the math on the worst case scenarios there. If 384's are bumped up to e.g. 512 or 1Mbit a lot of that math gets thrown into turmoil.

What may happen is that after a while, if it becomes a problem, instead of 'unlimited' the SAn companies adapt the offerings to e.g. have 30GB or 60GB caps instead (quite reasonable for most users still in today's environment, though applications for the future will need a lot more) -- and possibly will be soft-caps only, since you have a trade-off between the cost of policing infrastructure and the cost of the extra bandwidth. I do think our ISPs are going to start feeling more pressure, and finding it harder to make more money, some may go under while the others learn to be very efficient, but that is precisely the magic of competition :)
 
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Turtle said:
You run a 70-user business and you're using a consumer DSL product ISP for your mail server!? No offence, but hire some IT guys who know what they're doing, or you most certainly will have problems. As for the facts you claim, they sound dubious to me ... I find it hard to believe that their mail server has a 2MB mail size limit. (I use Afrihost, but we have our own mail server.)
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+1

I run an Exchange server and use Afrihost smtp and have no issues with mail size.
 
WA wake up please...Data transfer speeds and web page sizes are increasing daily...!!!

Yet, you insist on trying to con people into believing that they must pay exorbitant rates per single GB of data, because it's sustainable for YOU...

The cap is imposed by the speed of the line. Yet, you insist on stealing from the people of this country by making them pay what very few can afford, per single gig.

Ask Axxess if they are still selling uncapped...They are sustainable because they did their calculations and sell at a sustainable price.

With 300 000 clients, do not insult Rudi Jansen by claiming you are cleverer than he, concerning sustainability.

The world has changed since you started your scheming on how to rip off the public with your new supposed "tier 1" status.

By the time you finally realise that you should make uncapped products available or hemorrhage clients, it will be too late, simply because people will hate you, for being the Eugene Terreblance of the internet...Stop trying to return to the past...Unsustainable...Hehehehe!

Learn from the past...

"There is a tide in the affairs of men. Which taken at the flood, leads on to fortune; Omitted, all the voyage of their life Is bound in shallows and in miseries; on such a full sea we are now afloat; and we must take the current the clouds folding and unfolding beyond the horizon. when it serves, or lose our ventures. "
Julius Caesar quote by William Shakespeare
 
imminent has become "now" .. hehe

Going to try the MWEB 4mb offer at work and keep my Afrihost account for home ... bye bye Screamer!
 
Turtle said:
I was in Germany a while back and while the connection where I stayed wasn't strictly uncapped, but the cap was huge, something like 60GB, quite reasonable in my view (and I don't think it was a hard cap, just an advertised limit). Likewise in Belgium it was about 30GB (IIRC) and purchasing additional 30GB's was very cheap. Speeds were around 8Mbit --- and you actually got that most the time. Pricing in the range of roughly R200 - R300/month IIRC (total, no 'extras' like forced voice line rental). So ja, 8Mbit,60GB 'soft cap',R300 vs 384Kbit,+/-R500, we have a loooong way to go. And those European connections are considered slow these days ... Japan, South Korea etc., that's what we should be benchmarking ourselves against.

Note also that our silly 384Kbit speed creates an 'effective cap' of around 100GB/month, which in our context would somewhat mitigate the type of problem Rupert Bryant refers to with overseas companies advertising 'unlimited', since that's in the context of multi-Mbit connections where a heavy downloader could potentially use Tbytes/month. With these new SAn 'unlimited' offerings, I especially doubt we're about to see the 384 joke get increased. A 384kbit "unlimited" SAn plan is in fact a 100GB cap, basically --- so they can do the math on the worst case scenarios there. If 384's are bumped up to e.g. 512 or 1Mbit a lot of that math gets thrown into turmoil.

What may happen is that after a while, if it becomes a problem, instead of 'unlimited' the SAn companies adapt the offerings to e.g. have 30GB or 60GB caps instead (quite reasonable for most users still in today's environment, though applications for the future will need a lot more) -- and possibly will be soft-caps only, since you have a trade-off between the cost of policing infrastructure and the cost of the extra bandwidth. I do think our ISPs are going to start feeling more pressure, and finding it harder to make more money, some may go under while the others learn to be very efficient, but that is precisely the magic of competition :)
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Rook jy boom? :erm:
 
Turtle said:
I was in Germany a while back and while the connection where I stayed wasn't strictly uncapped, but the cap was huge, something like 60GB, quite reasonable in my view (and I don't think it was a hard cap, just an advertised limit). Likewise in Belgium it was about 30GB (IIRC) and purchasing additional 30GB's was very cheap. Speeds were around 8Mbit --- and you actually got that most the time. Pricing in the range of roughly R200 - R300/month IIRC (total, no 'extras' like forced voice line rental). So ja, 8Mbit,60GB 'soft cap',R300 vs 384Kbit,+/-R500, we have a loooong way to go. And those European connections are considered slow these days ... Japan, South Korea etc., that's what we should be benchmarking ourselves against.

Note also that our silly 384Kbit speed creates an 'effective cap' of around 100GB/month, which in our context would somewhat mitigate the type of problem Rupert Bryant refers to with overseas companies advertising 'unlimited', since that's in the context of multi-Mbit connections where a heavy downloader could potentially use Tbytes/month. With these new SAn 'unlimited' offerings, I especially doubt we're about to see the 384 joke get increased. A 384kbit "unlimited" SAn plan is in fact a 100GB cap, basically --- so they can do the math on the worst case scenarios there. If 384's are bumped up to e.g. 512 or 1Mbit a lot of that math gets thrown into turmoil.

What may happen is that after a while, if it becomes a problem, instead of 'unlimited' the SAn companies adapt the offerings to e.g. have 30GB or 60GB caps instead (quite reasonable for most users still in today's environment, though applications for the future will need a lot more) -- and possibly will be soft-caps only, since you have a trade-off between the cost of policing infrastructure and the cost of the extra bandwidth. I do think our ISPs are going to start feeling more pressure, and finding it harder to make more money, some may go under while the others learn to be very efficient, but that is precisely the magic of competition :)
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I would not be so fast to criticise the 384k product (criticise its price by all means)
But many countries including Brazil sell a 384k and smaller product for a cheap price.
Remember generally speaking you could always just buy more (assuming your exchange works well enough)

SA has a 4Mb product and will shortly have an 8Mb and 12Mb product.

Caps are becoming irrelevant to those that can afford it.
An 8Mb Mweb Unlimited product is going to be not a lot more expensive than 2004 (I have heard reliably that MWeb don't plan to increase the price for users that get 8Mb or 12Mb)
 
Hang on here, why now all of a sudden an uncapped solution?
Does this mean they could have done this a long time ago but decided not to? Or did something magically fall out of heaven a day after MWeb announced their product release?

Something fishy here...
 
MyWorld said:
Hang on here, why now all of a sudden an uncapped solution?
Does this mean they could have done this a long time ago but decided not to? Or did something magically fall out of heaven a day after MWeb announced their product release?

Something fishy here...
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Not really, and certainly not a long time ago.
What we are seeing is a combination of the fibers that have been installed, in the past few years following permitting people other than Telcom to self provision. The New Licences granted to the ISP's and the Landing of the Seacom cable.
A lot of work has been going on in the background to reconfigure networks, get the Seacom bandwidth to the ISP's and most importantly to carry data outside of the Telkom backbone.

Different ISP's reconfigured their offerings in different ways, most of them opting to reduce data bundle prices as that is the Model South Africans are used too.
MWeb opted to go with a paradigm shift and begin to introduce the more widely accepted international model.

Margins are tight both ways, and the culture of download the internet to a local driver will hurt the ISP's in this new model initially, hence their reluctance, but ultimately it is the way to go. Once South Africa is re educated to true Internet use.

My opinion only BTW, I am not with an ISP, just reading between the lines.
 
Well, I'm sort of "inbetween" ISP's - my line was moved back to Telkom on the 16th of March 2010, my cap (uncapped with Cybersmart had been cancelled and would be deleted om 31 March 2010). My timing couldn't been more precise. Waiting to see what else is on the table, before I make my final decicion.
 
Thing is though... The more we support Afrihost, the more money they get, the more they can invest in infrastructure, and its only better for us.. All in all, the bets thing we can do is for EVERYONE to go uncapped..
 
boramk said:
.. All in all, the bets thing we can do is for EVERYONE to go uncapped..
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Can you Imagine if everyone left there taps open just becouse they have access to the dam, unlimited water would be rationed very fast. Unfortunately Telkom started with rationing so now every one thinks that the dam is overflowing.

Best thing is that South Africans are reeducated to use the internet freely, as they need it, and to not use it to the maxjust because they can.
At that point we can to stop differentiating over line speeds and then go Uncapped.

Telkom has created a leaching culture problem that will take a long time to overcome.
 
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