Afrikaans schools, discriminatory?

Sly21C said:
Students can choose to study 10 languages in high school if that is possible and if that is their choice, what I am stressing is that students must be given a choice, not told to learn Afrikaans just because some governing body voted to have that policy.
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The body decides that based on the resources available, if there aren't any teachers to teach another language then it doesn't make sense for the school to have it.
 
Sly21C said:
I don't have a problem with Afrikaans, I have a problem with students being "forced" to take up Afrikaans as a second language. if students are given a choice and choose Afrikaans or choose Zulu or choose French then I have zero problem with that.
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So you have to have two languages at the end of grade 12?

You should take that up with government. If they had an education system that was working we would have had more teachers and more teachers mean that you would have a wider selection. You also need to ask when teachers go to uni why do they not take an African language as a subject?

And then we should ask if a school can afford a teacher that teaches French for 2 kids. And Your second language is not chosen in grade 10 but in grade 7 and you have to carry it through to grade 12. You can try to fall in with the French class in grade 11.. i do think you will struggle.

And please name the schools you are talking about. Maybe we can ask them.
 
marine1 said:
You kidding? You have a problem with an Afrikaans school but have no issue with a blacks only organisation?
There is nothing wrong with an Afrikaans only school, just like there is nothing wrong with a Black only organisation ;)
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Clutching straws there are we? Check my original post in this thread. You come in here with your race whining banter.
 
Voicy said:
In summary. I'd also be bleak if I was a Zulu speaking black person and I'm forced to learn Afrikaans at school. For what?
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Fair enough, if and only IF you are forced, otherwise perhaps move schools?
Fudzy said:
Clutching straws there are we? Check my original post in this thread. You come in here with your race whining banter.
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You are the racist ;)
Not quite sure what is racist about my post. :rolleyes:
Typical response from you
 
MyDogHasNoNose said:
What's quite interesting is that the majority of the parents who attend governing body meetings at the school my kids go to are politicians who have little or no time to do homework with their child... those and wannabe politicians... people who want some sort of power but aren't interested in the children themselves. It's high time ordinary mothers and fathers attend these meetings and vote for their governing bodies...
it's no use complaining about decisions being made at the school if you don't take part.
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haha, you are talking to someone who home schools their own children! ;)
 
People there is no debate on this matter. It's not something the Government can interfere with and is policy decided by the Schools Governing Body. No single person can influence the system and I wish Sly the best when he/she is evidently outvoted and is told that if they do not like the schools mediums of instruction they may take their child elsewhere. Schools are NOT forced to take pupils and cater for their every whim. When you enrol, you are informed as to what the curriculum will entail and what the medium of instructions will be. Only objecting 3 years down the line is pathetic at best. Would you like some whine with that cheese folks?
 
Mila said:
Where are they forced? I still do not understand the forcing part.
( serious question )
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It's all about interpretation. I did my Grade 8 and 9 at a township school and my dad decided that I should go to a model C school so that I don't end up being influenced to be in a gang and then go into crime or do drugs and other things. So I went to a model C school and was told that it is compulsory for me to take English (which is fine) and Afrikaans (which I wasn't happy with). I tried looking for other model C schools but they all had the same policy. My dad told me to go attend that model C school since it's better than being influenced by people with no direction in life. Now for me I had 2 choices, it's either I attend a model C school and be "forced" (that's how I felt) to take Afrikaans or I go back to a township school and run the risk of being in a gang and die early in life like some of my friends.
 
S7wede said:
Schools are NOT forced to take pupils and cater for their every whim. When you enrol, you are informed as to what the curriculum will entail and what the medium of instructions will be. Only objecting 3 years down the line is pathetic at best. Would you like some whine with that cheese folks?
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Well put.
 
I can also see the problem in small towns. Where only one school is the option, then you also have to ask about the finances of the small school. It is more than likely that one of the teachers can teach Afrikaans with their main subject therefore making it cheaper to have them oppose to paying two teachers? Therefore it being compulsory to have two languages it makes sense to have only English and Afrikaans?

Just putting out options, i know for a fact that schools do not always have the funding for more teachers. And if they want more the parents have to pay more school fees. To make up a salary for the extra teacher.

You as a school applies for funding if its not approved you are screwed, is that not what happend in the EC last year?
 
Sly21C said:
It's all about interpretation. I did my Grade 8 and 9 at a township school and my dad decided that I should go to a model C school so that I don't end up being influenced to be in a gang and then go into crime or do drugs and other things. So I went to a model C school and was told that it is compulsory for me to take English (which is fine) and Afrikaans (which I wasn't happy with). I tried looking for other model C schools but they all had the same policy. My dad told me to go attend that model C school since it's better than being influenced by people with no direction in life. Now for me I had 2 choices, it's either I attend a model C school and be "forced" (that's how I felt) to take Afrikaans or I go back to a township school and run the risk of being in a gang and die early in life like some of my friends.
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Fact: You enrolled in a school that had decided to have Afrikaans.
Fact: You did not like it
Fact: Tough Bananas, your parents signed a written consent form on the school application that allowed this happen.
Fact: They could have taken you to another school where you would have
die early in life like some of my friends.
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but they decided that even with Afrikaans being compulsory, it was better than the alternative
 
S7wede said:
People there is no debate on this matter. It's not something the Government can interfere with and is policy decided by the Schools Governing Body. No single person can influence the system and I wish Sly the best when he/she is evidently outvoted and is told that if they do not like the schools mediums of instruction they may take their child elsewhere. Schools are NOT forced to take pupils and cater for their every whim. When you enrol, you are informed as to what the curriculum will entail and what the medium of instructions will be. Only objecting 3 years down the line is pathetic at best. Would you like some whine with that cheese folks?
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I agree, funding is a mayor issue. If they only have funding for 10 teachers they take the decision based on who is in the school and the community. I hardly think that in Rural KZN they will put a school that only have PEDI, English and French as choices. The lack of teachers under the age of 45 also makes it difficult to make the language selection bigger.

As a person that thinks people in the teaching industry are there because of a calling ( i have to believe in something good :D )I’m sure that teachers and schools would love to cater for everybody's need. It’s just not how it works.

I still want to know whether it is compulsory to have two languages in Grade 12?
 
S7wede said:
Fact: You enrolled in a school that had decided to have Afrikaans.
Fact: You did not like it
Fact: Tough Bananas, your parents signed a written consent form on the school application that allowed this happen.
Fact: They could have taken you to another school where you would have but they decided that even with Afrikaans being compulsory, it was better than the alternative
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Let's agree to disagree, your attitude is one of the reasons why this country is not moving forward, done talking to you.
 
S7wede said:
People there is no debate on this matter. It's not something the Government can interfere with and is policy decided by the Schools Governing Body. No single person can influence the system and I wish Sly the best when he/she is evidently outvoted and is told that if they do not like the schools mediums of instruction they may take their child elsewhere. Schools are NOT forced to take pupils and cater for their every whim. When you enrol, you are informed as to what the curriculum will entail and what the medium of instructions will be. Only objecting 3 years down the line is pathetic at best. Would you like some whine with that cheese folks?
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We'll agree to disagree................
 
Is Afrikaans still compulsory as a 2nd language in public schools though? I didn't have the option of a different 2nd language and i wish i had. Would've taken Zulu or some other "African language" that would have benefited me more than Afrikaans does right now.
 
Sly i get you are a bit pissed off.
But why are you pissed off?

There were no other choice. If there was your parents would have chosen that. You can not have things always go your way. I wanted to take art and French as subjects. I could not. No schools close by had it.

I got stuck with home ec and Business ec. Which I hated. I cannot blame the school. They cannot change because one or two kids demand something different. Who would have paid the teachers? I'm sure If your parents had the money they could have sent you to a better school. they did their best.

Nobody here is to blame but your parents, which took your best interest to heart.
 
abzo said:
Is Afrikaans still compulsory as a 2nd language in public schools though? I didn't have the option of a different 2nd language and i wish i had. Would've taken Zulu or some other "African language" that would have benefited me more than Afrikaans does right now.
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nope you can go to a diffrent school that does have teachers for diffrent languages. ( or so I assume because nobody has answered me yet. )

If you are stuck in Pullenshope with one school and 4 teachers and they have degrees to teach english and afrikaans, you are stuck unless you have money to pay for a teacher that will want to stay in pullenshope and teach one child Zulu.
 
Mila said:
nope you can go to a diffrent school that does have teachers for diffrent languages. ( or so I assume because nobody has answered me yet. )

If you are stuck in Pullenshope with one school and 4 teachers and they have degrees to teach english and afrikaans, you are stuck unless you have money to pay for a teacher that will want to stay in pullenshope and teach one child Zulu.
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ah ok, but is there no national standard or regulation on the languages that are taught at schools?
 
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