Alleged robber kills himself

Arthur said:
Sorry, I don't have such a binary view of life. Human goodness and badness are on a spectrum between two poles, as I see it.
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Talking about poles, do you consider homosexuals to be beings of transcendent and eternal worth as well?
 
He's guilty, otherwise he wouldn't have shot himself. I have no sympathy for him then. Good riddens to ......
 
Arthur said:
How sad. Another human life of transcendent and eternal worth is cut short. The litany of human pain and tragedy continues. We are all diminished, because he is a brother.
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You may be diminished but the rest of us are quite fine thank you.
 
Very rare for cockroaches to self-terminate. Still too many crawling around.
 
Good riddance to bad rubbish. Fsck him, the POS.

Lots of people live in the most horrendous conditions possible, come from terrible circumstances and still to not inflict pain on others or commit crimes. They may resort to begging, casual labour or whatever, but at the end of the day, he had a choice, and he chose crime, unlike the vast majority of unfortunate people. Any sympathy I may have had for him evaporated the moment he started robbing people.
 
Arthur said:
What a bizarre question. :twisted:

Short answer: Every single human being without exception.
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How is it bizarre? I recall you posting "help" for a gay person to change their sexual orientation before? If they are transcendent and of eternal worth why would they need that?
 
Arthur said:
How sad. Another human life of transcendent and eternal worth is cut short. The litany of human pain and tragedy continues. We are all diminished, because he is a brother.

I understand what you mean. But reflect for a moment on the tragedy of this man's short life. Do you have any idea what his circumstances were, what neglect or abuse or harshness led him into crime? We don't know, of course, and therefore ordinary human solidarity and compassion impels us to regret his death even while we condemn his criminality and injury he (presumably) inflicted on his victims and the common good.
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Tsek
 
Arthur said:
How sad. Another human life of transcendent and eternal worth is cut short. The litany of human pain and tragedy continues. We are all diminished, because he is a brother.

I understand what you mean. But reflect for a moment on the tragedy of this man's short life. Do you have any idea what his circumstances were, what neglect or abuse or harshness led him into crime? We don't know, of course, and therefore ordinary human solidarity and compassion impels us to regret his death even while we condemn his criminality and injury he (presumably) inflicted on his victims and the common good.
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Tsek x 2

Have you ever been robbed or hijacked?

Do you have a brother that was shot for a R1k cellphone and R60? Do you have a brother that can't walk properly because of criminals who violently victimized him?
 
Yorkie said:
There is that hateful word again "Alleged". They were caught red handed they are guilty, they DID do the crime
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Well, how many times a day are you being chased around by police saying you 'allegedly' committed a crime? This word is just an ANC-word and basically has no meaning at all. African Talk.
 
Sly21C said:
Tsek x 2

Have you ever been robbed or hijacked?

Do you have a brother that was shot for a R1k cellphone and R60? Do you have a brother that can't walk properly because of criminals who violently victimized him?
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Only relevant if my view was based on sentiment. It isn't. Being a victim, or related to one, hasn't changed my view.

Also, don't think that my lament above is a condonation of the evil of crime, or a mitigation of its viciousness. It isn't.

Every squandered human life is a tragedy - and that goes even for the monsters that have killed millions.
 
Arthur said:
Only relevant if my view was based on sentiment. It isn't. Being a victim, or related to one, hasn't changed my view.

Also, don't think that my lament above is a condonation of the evil of crime, or a mitigation of its viciousness. It isn't.

Every squandered human life is a tragedy - and that goes even for the monsters that have killed millions.
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If criminals kill themselves or are killed on a regular basis, then the culture of them getting away with crime will change. The risk of doing crime in SA is low. If the risk was high, like starting a business, then criminals will think twice before embarking on a career of crime. I therefore welcome every story about criminals getting killed.
 
Arthur said:
Only relevant if my view was based on sentiment. It isn't. Being a victim, or related to one, hasn't changed my view.

Also, don't think that my lament above is a condonation of the evil of crime, or a mitigation of its viciousness. It isn't.

Every squandered human life is a tragedy - and that goes even for the monsters that have killed millions.
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Yet you own a gun to use on one of these criminals if need be, and thus end one of these transcendent beings...
 
Sly21C said:
If criminals kill themselves or are killed on a regular basis, then the culture of them getting away with crime will change.
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Only if the arrest and sentence (which can include execution) is carried out by that agency charged with the protection of citizens' rights, ie the state. It's why government exists, and it's high time it did its primary and most essential job. There needs to be due process, otherwise we just live as savages.

If the killing is done by non-State actors, we descend into barbarism and the cycle of crime and violence is entrenched, not mitigated.
 
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So he was out on bail for robbery, shows how well our justice system works.
The criminals know there isnt much consequence to their actions and that it will just be a short delay before they are back to making easy money.

The truth about most theft is that it is not the result of a desperate person trying to survive, it is easy money the criminals are after.
 
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