HavocXphere
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So typically human?Typical South Africans in this thread. Want the same pay for less work
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DuckKnuckle
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Would love to know where you heard about Amazon's notoriety regarding longer than normal work hours?I've made as much of a case for my view as Amazon has for theirs i.e. I think x-y-z vs Amazon says x-y-z.
I personally know of more than just a couple of examples where the corporate party line was something similar and ultimately was just thinly veiled excuses for reducing staff without all that nasty perception that they retrenched people.
Amazon is also notorious for the long hours demanded from staff, from what I've heard and what a couple of quick searches will confirm the 40 hour week for 100% pay is more like a 60-80 hour week, if the same demands are placed on the 30 hour week teams that's probably a 45-60 hour week in reality.
If that's the case people are still working a full week, at reduced pay
Considering I work for AWS, I know the hours expected of the various departments in the CPT building.
The only teams I can't vouch for would be the Fulfillment Centers.
And what are you vouching for? I know multiple people who work for AWS and they are always complaining about hours, stress and generally just having to service a system in the wrong time zone.
Edit: Like all people they also complain about salaries, which I think is erroneous as person-for-person they definitely get payed above market rates.
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DuckKnuckle
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That it's generally 40 hour work weeks. You get specific teams (mine included), that require after hour work when working with members in other time zones, or if there are major issues raised that require immediate actioning.
I do know that the Dev guys are under constant stress though.
HavocXphere
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Yeah no I think we can safely assume everyone is secretly lazy AF. Even the eager beavers.Not well-travelled so South Africans are the only humans I know
NarrowBandFtw
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I could tell you a few names of current and past AWS employees who are my direct sources, but of course I won't, also see post #30 here, it is a general perception thing about Amazon, rightly or wrongly, it is the perception.
I've also had more than one recruiting agency share that perception with me too. I'm more than happy to state categorically I've never worked for Amazon and cannot comment on what it's really like.
DuckKnuckle
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Yeah AWS is a different beast altogether. I doubt they would ever pilot that here.
I do see how some of the other departments like Retail and the more customer service orientated teams would benefit from this. They're busy in a different sense.
But it also stands to reason that the higher you move up, the more work you get. As pointed out, Amazon here is constantly hiring so if anyone is keen on a job in AWS or elsewhere in Amazon, feel free to PM me
I do see how some of the other departments like Retail and the more customer service orientated teams would benefit from this. They're busy in a different sense.
But it also stands to reason that the higher you move up, the more work you get. As pointed out, Amazon here is constantly hiring so if anyone is keen on a job in AWS or elsewhere in Amazon, feel free to PM me
HavocXphere
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Quite the opposite for most organisations. The higher up you get the more you're expected to not only to delegate but also to actively manage your work/life balance. Higher ups burning out is a big problem...juniors you can just replace.
DuckKnuckle
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Na they aren't burning out at all. It's all very hands on in the Premium Support side of AWS. Of course, work is delegated, but it's open-door policies and no work is beneath any of the higher ups.
Like I said earlier, a shorter work week will benefit customer support orientated teams where they don't have projects and other work stuff that can be done outside of work.
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The_Assimilator
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Amazon SA's exploitation of developers is well-known in recruitment circles. They lure devs with the prospect of fancy benefits (e.g. relocation) and a massive boost to their CV, then work them to the bone and replace them with the next batch of suckers. Two of my brother's friends worked for Amazon as software devs; they both quit because despite the fact they were working 60+ hour weeks, their bosses told them they weren't working hard enough. They are not crap devs, and their story is not unique.
If you've ever wondered how Amazon keeps its prices so low, their outsourced operations like SA are the answer.
cerebus
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I think it's optional. I wouldn't like to cut 25% of my pay either. But I imagine my wife would be quite happy to take that offer if she was also working. or if I was closer to retirement, or I just had an alternative lifestyle and wasn't driven to work all my waking hours. Having that kind of job flexibility seems really attractive and it could incentivize people to stay at the company.