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My friend asked me to help him upgrade his computer and I found the AMD fx8350 and intel i5 3570k to be the best cpu's for him, but here is my question.

at the moment, the i5 is better (slightly) then the fx8350, but what about the future? especially considering the ps4 and xbox one will be running an 8 core AMD cpu, will games be optimized for an 8 core cpu in the future? (as well as being optimized for an AMD rig?) or should I recommend the i5, as in most games it performs better.
 
wannabe said:
My friend asked me to help him upgrade his computer and I found the AMD fx8350 and intel i5 3570k to be the best cpu's for him, but here is my question.

at the moment, the i5 is better (slightly) then the fx8350, but what about the future? especially considering the ps4 and xbox one will be running an 8 core AMD cpu, will games be optimized for an 8 core cpu in the future? (as well as being optimized for an AMD rig?) or should I recommend the i5, as in most games it performs better.
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I say take the AMD.

Just because. He won't see any difference in gaming.

http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/31504-amd%E2%80%99s-xbox-deal-worth-more-than-$3-billion
 
Pada said:
At this moment, and probably in the next 3 years or so, that i5 will most definitely outperform the AMD FX8350 in games:
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You do know that the new gen consoles have more cores and as such will be more heavily threaded as the PC just gets console ports these days?

I think you need to check reality. Both the PS4 and Xbox One have 8Core AMD CPUs in them.
 
AMD because I'm an AMD fanboi. The AMD chips run smaller transistors with lower level language, but stuff many more of them onto each chip. Unless you are doing video editing, the AMD chip will in real life application outperform the i5. All "CPU Benchmark" tests test in higher level language, giving Intel chips the head start, while AMD CPUs have to parse each line of code into a lower level each and every cycle. Net result? : AMD chips spend time doing nothing during CPU Benchmarks, lowering their scores.

Everything will change now, since new consoles will be running on the AMD architechture. Games designers will indeed optimize their code for a plethora of "simple" transistors rather than taking the shortcut and calling a high level function, meaning future games' code will be to the benefit of AMD CPUs.

Why code your game twice? Easier to code once for AMD and slap on unINTELligent support after the engine is done.

That and you get more Hz per rand with AMD chips. Oh and more heat efficient. Oh and a !#%^ing plug that doesn't take the 4 years required to master the art of attaching an unINTELligent cooler. Who the had the idea "nah let's put four clips in the corners, and make them loosen really easily and fall off after 3 years lolwut"
 
Chevron said:
You do know that the new gen consoles have more cores and as such will be more heavily threaded as the PC just gets console ports these days?

I think you need to check reality. Both the PS4 and Xbox One have 8Core AMD CPUs in them.
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You do realize that even the PS3 had 8 SPE's already...

The fact is that currently the Intel i5 is much better in terms of gaming performance than the AMD.

My guess is that it would probably remain ahead with a reasonable margin for the next 2 years.

If you can wait a few months for the Haswell CPU's to arrive in SA, then you should be able to overclock even more than the current Ivy Bridge ones.
If you're concerned that 4 cores aren't enough, then just pay slightly more and get the i7 3770k.
 
Pada said:
You do realize that even the PS3 had 8 SPE's already...
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How is this relevant? PC ports are from the 360. Hence the games for windows live usually thrown in.

LOL

I think you're an Intel Fanboy grabbing at straws here.
 
you usually get longer life from your motherboard as well as AMD don't change socket with each generation chip change
 
Ol' Mean Bastid said:
you usually get longer life from your motherboard as well as AMD don't change socket with each generation chip change
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I dont suppose you know how long the AM3+ socket will be around still?
with haswell already running the LGA1150, an AMD motherboard that you can still use in a couple of years will be a big bonus!
 
Chevron said:
How is this relevant? PC ports are from the 360. Hence the games for windows live usually thrown in.

LOL

I think you're an Intel Fanboy grabbing at straws here.
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LOL, maybe you need to, how did you put it, "check reality"

I fully agree with Pada, and not because either one of us is a fanboy, but because we formulate our opinions based on facts. Even without the additional cores, a current i5 has a much higher IPC and at worst will be even with a current AMD 8 core. Or shall we ignore real world tests on highly multithreaded software that already illustrate this point?
 
Archer said:
LOL, maybe you need to, how did you put it, "check reality"

I fully agree with Pada, and not because either one of us is a fanboy, but because we formulate our opinions based on facts. Even without the additional cores, a current i5 has a much higher IPC and at worst will be even with a current AMD 8 core. Or shall we ignore real world tests on highly multithreaded software that already illustrate this point?
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Do you have a real world test on a real world 8 core game ported to pc using a real world 4 core intel vs a real world 8 core amd?

I know a dual core bf 3 vs quadcore bf 3 with a good gpu is a huge difference, granted that isn't a port but a game made for 8 cores ported to pc would use 8 cores or not?

Now i could say my dual core intel is better than your qudcore amd but the amd smashes me in games that use the quadcore. So how sure archer are you that 8 core pc games are not imminent after the release of these consoles? How sure are you that telling someone to go for a quad over a 8 core is correct. Would you say 100% or perhaps 50%?
 
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Ol' Mean Bastid said:
AM3+ may come to end of life next year
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Sorry for the jack but i wana upgrade my mobo and cpu (still on Core2Quad) and one of my buddies swears heart n soul by AMD and his setup does run very sweet, should i be looking at the FM motherboards?

Dont think i'll be able to afford the latest AMD goodies when it arrives lol! But looking at their Hexa and Octacore chips...?
 
Archer said:
LOL, maybe you need to, how did you put it, "check reality"

I fully agree with Pada, and not because either one of us is a fanboy, but because we formulate our opinions based on facts. Even without the additional cores, a current i5 has a much higher IPC and at worst will be even with a current AMD 8 core. Or shall we ignore real world tests on highly multithreaded software that already illustrate this point?
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It also saves you a bunch of money that you dont need to pay to Telkom. Plus Intel CPUs can already overclock as high as their AMD counterparts - wiping out the clockspeed advantage that AMD enjoys.

The thing is, when Intel wins, it dominates AMD completely. When AMD wins, it wins slightly. And AMD always loses on power consumption and heat. Always.

Nikkel said:
Sorry for the jack but i wana upgrade my mobo and cpu (still on Core2Quad) and one of my buddies swears heart n soul by AMD and his setup does run very sweet, should i be looking at the FM motherboards?

Dont think i'll be able to afford the latest AMD goodies when it arrives lol! But looking at their Hexa and Octacore chips...?
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There are no hex or octa cores available for the FM sockets. For hex or octa, you need AM3+.
 
Archer said:
LOL, maybe you need to, how did you put it, "check reality"

I fully agree with Pada, and not because either one of us is a fanboy, but because we formulate our opinions based on facts. Even without the additional cores, a current i5 has a much higher IPC and at worst will be even with a current AMD 8 core. Or shall we ignore real world tests on highly multithreaded software that already illustrate this point?
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killadoob said:
Would you say 100% or perhaps 50%?
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110% sure. And to know why all you need to do is read and comprehend. Number of cores are not the be all and end all of CPU performance
 
Archer said:
110% sure. And to know why all you need to do is read and comprehend. Number of cores are not the be all and end all of CPU performance
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The way I see it, a lot of people think more cores is always better.

However, I'd rather have 4 Ferraris than 8 VW Citi Golfs.
 
killadoob said:
Do you have a real world test on a real world 8 core game ported to pc using a real world 4 core intel vs a real world 8 core amd?

I know a dual core bf 3 vs quadcore bf 3 with a good gpu is a huge difference, granted that isn't a port but a game made for 8 cores ported to pc would use 8 cores or not?

Now i could say my dual core intel is better than your qudcore amd but the amd smashes me in games that use the quadcore. So how sure archer are you that 8 core pc games are not imminent after the release of these consoles? How sure are you that telling someone to go for a quad over a 8 core is correct. Would you say 100% or perhaps 50%?
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You get it.

Nikkel said:
Sorry for the jack but i wana upgrade my mobo and cpu (still on Core2Quad) and one of my buddies swears heart n soul by AMD and his setup does run very sweet, should i be looking at the FM motherboards?

Dont think i'll be able to afford the latest AMD goodies when it arrives lol! But looking at their Hexa and Octacore chips...?
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AM3+ is still fine. Will support Steamroller as well. FM boards are if you want on board GFX.

Archer said:
LOL, maybe you need to, how did you put it, "check reality"

I fully agree with Pada, and not because either one of us is a fanboy, but because we formulate our opinions based on facts. Even without the additional cores, a current i5 has a much higher IPC and at worst will be even with a current AMD 8 core. Or shall we ignore real world tests on highly multithreaded software that already illustrate this point?
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There are no games that use 8 cores yet so how would you know? any games today are made for fewer cores which is why sometimes the higher IPC wins out.

This next gen will heavily make use of more cores.
 
Chevron said:
There are no games that use 8 cores yet so how would you know? any games today are made for fewer cores which is why sometimes the higher IPC wins out.

This next gen will heavily make use of more cores.
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Buying something for the future "just in case" has never been a good idea.
 
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