AMD bulldozer

Sigh ... really Disappointed with AMD current performance with software not so hot specially gaming,
but the more multi threading comes into use in software the more this chip will gain ground so maybe
just a bit ahead of its time?
 
I think it will do well in the server space. In the consumer space, its useless.
 
To update my previous post:
AMD is blaming Windows. The scheduler in Windows does not know how to optimally place the workloads across BD modules. In W8 this should be fixed. However, by this time the next stepping of AMD CPUs will be out as well, so you might get a double upgrade of performance to the FX line. This does half make sense because in some games I've seen the CPU not doing much at all, and yet losing badly against other CPUs.

AMD also shared with us that Windows 7 isn't really all that optimized for Bulldozer. Given AMD's unique multi-core module architecture, the OS scheduler needs to know when to place threads on a single module (with shared caches) vs. on separate modules with dedicated caches. Windows 7's scheduler isn't aware of Bulldozer's architecture and as a result sort of places threads wherever it sees fit, regardless of optimal placement. Windows 8 is expected to correct this, however given the short lead time on Bulldozer reviews we weren't able to do much experimenting with Windows 8 performance on the platform. There's also the fact that Windows 8 isn't expected out until the end of next year, at which point we'll likely see an upgraded successor to Bulldozer.
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Archer said:
To update my previous post:
AMD is blaming Windows. The scheduler in Windows does not know how to optimally place the workloads across BD modules. In W8 this should be fixed. However, by this time the next stepping of AMD CPUs will be out as well, so you might get a double upgrade of performance to the FX line. This does half make sense because in some games I've seen the CPU not doing much at all, and yet losing badly against other CPUs.


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The only problem is that the next gen AMD architecture is only predicting a 10-15% increase in perf, which still isn't enough to be competitive. They failed at single core clock for clock performance, and I don't think they can catch up with this architecture unless they can stabilize clocks at 4ghz+ consistently. Even then 2600k comes out ahead of a 4.6ghz BD chip...

/Sigh...
 
I actually think Intel will increase their prices now, they have no fear from competitive fallout :(..., and the excuse from AMD about Win7. How old is Win7? Surely they could have optimized it somehow? Why would they release a product that does not work optimally on most consumer PC's? I'm not well versed in software/hardware design limitations, so I wont go further into that. But atleast that makes the next upgrade easy= Intel next year :)
 
Pansyfaust said:
I actually think Intel will increase their prices now, they have no fear from competitive fallout :(..., and the excuse from AMD about Win7. How old is Win7? Surely they could have optimized it somehow? Why would they release a product that does not work optimally on most consumer PC's? I'm not well versed in software/hardware design limitations, so I wont go further into that. But atleast that makes the next upgrade easy= Intel next year :)
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Sigh... AMD clearly states W8 fixes the issues, hence the hardware (based on current info) would not be at fault regarding the thread scheduling. Building a brand new architecture based on an OS that is already being replaced, now that would have been dumb
 
They honestly need a 50% single threaded performance increase.
 
Archer said:
Sigh... AMD clearly states W8 fixes the issues, hence the hardware (based on current info) would not be at fault regarding the thread scheduling. Building a brand new architecture based on an OS that is already being replaced, now that would have been dumb
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True that, but still very sad considering that W8 is ages away from making BD seem relevant in the(gaming) market and green market(pfft) at all. Performance per clock is nearly worse than their previous architecture, surely they could compare their 110t and see that there was a problem? Oh well....
 
Archer said:
Sigh... AMD clearly states W8 fixes the issues, hence the hardware (based on current info) would not be at fault regarding the thread scheduling. Building a brand new architecture based on an OS that is already being replaced, now that would have been dumb
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No dumb is releasing hardware that doesn't work well with an OS everyone is using :eek:. If they were targeting windows 8 then they should have delayed until windows 8. Who in their right mind apart from fanboys will buy cpu's made for an OS that is not released? By then intel will be rocking some major updates as well.

So now people are buying cpu's that are crippled for the next year? LOL eish wena
 
One aspect I realised as well is that if the fallback argument is that they will be a good server chip, would any company/people in their right mind replace what they have to these, including the fact that they will also pay more more power usage?
 
Pansyfaust said:
True that, but still very sad considering that W8 is ages away from making BD seem relevant in the(gaming) market and green market(pfft) at all. Performance per clock is nearly worse than their previous architecture, surely they could compare their 110t and see that there was a problem? Oh well....
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They cant fix foundry issues though. Global Foundries sucks monkey butt, and would easily account for the low clock speeds + high power consumption. AMD really needs to move over to TSMC asap.
 
I think the ideal solution would be to simply patch Windows 7? I would like to see some Linux benchmarks, as not everyone uses Windows.
 
killadoob said:
No dumb is releasing hardware that doesn't work well with an OS everyone is using :eek:. If they were targeting windows 8 then they should have delayed until windows 8. Who in their right mind apart from fanboys will buy cpu's made for an OS that is not released? By then intel will be rocking some major updates as well.
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Sigh AGAIN. Ask yourself, what came first? BD architecture, or W7 release? Even worse, delay the chips more? Ya, cause then you wouldnt have been frothing at the mouth eh :rolleyes:
 
Archer said:
Sigh AGAIN. Ask yourself, what came first? BD architecture, or W7 release? Even worse, delay the chips more? Ya, cause then you wouldnt have been frothing at the mouth eh :rolleyes:
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Well sadly for everyone actually amd is not competitive again so we are stuck with one company and they won't drop their pricing now. If they had been able to run well with gaming i would have bought but they get pomped so far sadly. Perhaps there will be a patch and the performance will increase.

By the time windows 8 is out intel with have far better cpu's and one again amd will be slower when using windows 8 but we can hope that is not the case. At least they got awesome gpu's :D.

Anyways that is about it for my possible amd purchase :(. I cannot buy cpu's that will run well when i get windows 8 sadly. When is windows 8 due for release?
 
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Yes, everyone buy AMD GPUs!!! Hopefully that way we can keep them afloat long enough to release proper CPUs next year!
 
Was also expecting A LOT more from AMD regarding this CPU. Was really hoping that AMD would put themselves in a position where they could give Intel some proper competition again...but alas.

I reckon when Intel launch Ivy Bridge it's going to put anything AMD has out there to shame.
 
Archer said:
Yes, everyone buy AMD GPUs!!! Hopefully that way we can keep them afloat long enough to release proper CPUs next year!
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Good plan :D. Gotta support them somehow. They look like they won't drop the ball in that sector.

Yup dual i also think that 2 year old i7 was a good purchase. Sad when a company can barely beat technology two years older though.
 
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