AMD FX processors released

The only person fighting is you, your comments and responses have been nothing but aggressive since this discussion started, if you cannot handle other people's opinions perhaps you should not engage them :D. I have tried to point it out to you like 3 times in the last few days but still it doesn't sink in and sadly people won't always agree with you and no matter how you act it won't change their feelings.

Go ahead and express your opinions. Heck, I'll be the first to say that AMD dropped the ball on this CPU, the CPU, as it is available right now sucks monkey balls. I'm sure I've said this several times. What I have been trying to say over and over and over is that there are external factors that AMD has zero control over. Yes, AMD dropped the ball. But that was exacerbated by external factors.

Its also clear that AMD as a whole does not suck, else you wouldnt be sporting all those GPUs of yours. So please, go rant on about how AMD sucks somewhere else. I've only been trying to show where there have been issues, and maybe, just maybe, hopefully, where we might expect some performance increases

I don't think discussing why a product has failed is bashing a company.
It is when you bash the company, and not the product, which is what you've been doing
 
Where do i bash amd as a company? I have their gpu's i was going to purchase these cpu's if they were good so i am not sure where i am bashing them.

I am bashing their piss poor product yes.

What are these factors that they have no control over?

They can test the cpu's across the board.
They can see where the issues are surely?

If they find windows is an issue they can go chat to microsoft and find a solution, they could go chat to all the mobo manufacturers and come up with a solution. I fail to see what is out of their control and it annoys me that they release this stuff and make us get all excited knowing the issues that are plaguing their new hardware. Believe it or not if intel had done this i would be asking the same questions. I am actually a closet amd fanboy :D, it's just intel make it hard to be one.

What is out of their control in your opinion? I also don't buy this BS of releasing a cpu for an OS that is not even on sale for the next 12-18 months, from a business perspective that surely is straight up idiotic by the time it's actually able to function how it should intel could have something so much better and people still won't buy the cpus.
 
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What are these factors that they have no control over?

Global foundries poor 32nm node. If memory serves me well GF was partly to blame for Nvidias hot, hungry and poor yield GTX400 series. AMD does not own GF, so nothing they can really do besides move to TSMC, which they are in the process of doing - linky

If they find windows is an issue they can go chat to microsoft and find a solution, they could go chat to all the mobo manufacturers and come up with a solution.

They are chatting to MS, though from what I've seen on the net AMD is taking a lazy approach and only getting the fixes in W8. I've heard precious little about a fix for W7, but one would hope the W7 would get the update in a patch/service pack.
 
killadoob may not want to bash AMD as a company, but I do. Yes, their GPU division, the former ATI, miraculously performs well. The CPU division does not.

The reason I say that is that it must have been obvious many months or even years ago, that this design would not outperform Phenom II on a clock for clock basis. Yes, it could potentially reach higher clocks, but that increases power draw. AMD essentially gambled, knowing full well that Intel had played this gamble and lost, that they could get clock speeds high enough to offset the lower IPC and keep power draw under control.

When the previous gen outperforms the latest gen in every single metric, and that includes cost to AMD to manufacture, you have to realize something went badly wrong. And dont tell me AMD knew this on October the 12th - they would have known it months if not years ago. Come on, they chopped away one third of Phenom II (in terms of execution resources) and hoped that extra L2 cache and higher clock speeds would hide that. They would have known, ages ago, that BD was simply not performing. Yet they still chose to release it.

Now, yes BD in some cases delivers great performance. It never delivers great performance for a 2 billion transistor chip, not compared to Sandy Bridge, but there are cases where its multi threaded performance is quite good. So, I would have been okay with it had AMD marketed this as a server chip, not branded it FX, not tried to mislead consumers with all that worlds fastest CPU malarkey. They set customer expectations up that this was a gaming and overclocking chip, when in fact Thuban is a better gaming chip. Lower power draw and better performance. They could simply have said that BD is a server chip, much like Intel has their Xeons and their Itaniums. Heck, the server market is an area that AMD has traditionally done better in than the desktop market. I would have been quite happy if they had gone after that. But BD for the desktop just does not make sense when I can buy a Thuban chip. So what makes me angry is that AMD thought they could mislead gamers into buying their chips, despite the fact that they are not suited to gaming.

Ideally a competent company would have put the brakes on this some time ago, when it became clear that IPC and clockspeed targets would not be met. Or changed the processors direction to better suit the server market. They did neither, they barreled on convinced it would somehow turn out okay. What kind of company just hopes that things turn out okay. AMD was hoping for two pretty big things - that Windows 8 would come out first with an improved scheduler, and that GlobalFoundries would be able to ramp 32nm production up so that clock speed targets would be met. I just find it amazing that they could design a chip relying so heavily on external factors over which they have no control. Its lunacy, and it didnt pay off, and now AMD have egg on their faces.

My CPU history goes K7-700, Athlon XP 2400+, Atlon 64 X2 5600+, Athlon II X4 620. That will be the last AMD CPU I buy, unless Piledriver comes out in 6 months and delivers a 50% IPC increase, higher clocks and lower power draw. Chances of that happening = 0.000000%
 
I remember when AMD launched the desktop 64bit (2003 ish)... most software companies were not ready then. Does that mean AMD should have waited ?
 
Yea i fully agree, they really let us down. I have been itching to get amd again. All i used to do was buy and sell amd where i could until the core2 the bomb.

Then came phenom and i thought ok cool no good but at least phenom was decentish with cheap mobo's, then phenom 2 again let me down now bulldozer :( but in the meantime intel lowered their pricing on their goods so amd sadly didn't even become a viable cheap option because intel had that covered with performance and price.

Anyways we can only hope they go back to drawing board and figure out how to at least compete with intel, they don't even have to beat intel just be somewhere close to them. Their 8 core though should be a winner for many people who will utilize the 8 cores. Maybe there will be A patch or something that will help these new cpu's out BUT that looks unlikely. Who knows maybe this new cpu that will only work welL with windows 8 will work so well their next generation chip will blow intel away when windows 8 drops.

It's not good cause intel won't feel the need to drop their pricing now.
 
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Now we know why AMD chose "Bulldozer" as the codename i.e. they big, slow and consume a lot of fuel :D

PS - HERE is an interesting article which basically says that all the BIOS / software updates are not going to improve what is essentially a poor design.
 
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Hi there folks,

On the lists that I've got in front of me, pricing for the CPU (Sales Price, Public Price, Normal People Price) is going to look as follows:

Amd Zambezi FX-4100 - 4x cores ( 3.6Ghz , 3.8Ghz turbo core ) Black edition @ R1 120
Amd Zambezi FX-6100 - 6x cores ( 3.3Ghz , 3.9Ghz turbo core ) Black edition @ R1 720
Amd Zambezi FX-8120 - 8x cores ( 3.1Ghz , 4.0Ghz turbo core ) Black edition @ R2 025
Amd Zambezi FX-8150 - 8x cores ( 3.6Ghz , 4.2Ghz turbo core ) Black edition @ R2 420

This is from one supplier, waiting for the others, but I will wait at least for the exchange rate to get its act together before I buy one of these...

Still trying to get an ETA..

Fred

Hi guys,

Just to give you a quick update. One of the more willing suppliers finally managed to get a rough estimate on an ETA. The CPU's should be coming into Johannesburg by the end of this week (The 21st of October to be exact).

They can't say for sure that the pricing is as what they have given me, but it usually stays about the same.

Hope this helps those who are itching to get their hands on it.. (I know I'm keen on that Quad Core seeing how it's backwards compatible, so I'll get a big upgrade from my Phenom II x2 550 for just R1k)

Regards,
Fred
 
B3 silicon is in the works, but that will take around 3-4 months. IF (big if) its anything like the Phenom release, B3 silicon can give 10-15% more performance.
 
B3 silicon is in the works, but that will take around 3-4 months. IF (big if) its anything like the Phenom release, B3 silicon can give 10-15% more performance.

I really hope so.... I've never owned Intel and I don't have anything against them, I just like the whole underdog scenario.

The selling point for me always is the fact that you get performance very close to or slightly better than Intel for quite a reduced price. *Fingers crossed*
 
I really hope so.... I've never owned Intel and I don't have anything against them, I just like the whole underdog scenario.

The selling point for me always is the fact that you get performance very close to or slightly better than Intel for quite a reduced price. *Fingers crossed*

Totally agree with you there.

Piledriver is also coming out very soon.
 
No one complains when theyre going for cheap.

Exactly.. And the fact that you can get a Quad Core @ 3.6GHz for about R1 120, and run it on the same motherboard the old CPU ran with, I'm still going to recommend it. (Assuming you have an AM3 board that supports AM3+)

Take me for example, upgrading from a Phenom II x2 550 BE (Dual Core @ 3.1GHz) to the FX-4100 (Quad Core @ 3.6GHz) by only throwing on a new CPU is the cheaper option and I believe that will be more that sufficient for gaming...

Assuming that the price range would be pretty much the same on Piledriver, but with increased performance still makes me happy inside..
 
I really hope so.... I've never owned Intel and I don't have anything against them, I just like the whole underdog scenario.

The selling point for me always is the fact that you get performance very close to or slightly better than Intel for quite a reduced price. *Fingers crossed*

The problem is...it isn't all that much cheaper than Intel, and the performance is so wildly variable whereas SB performance is quite consistent across the board. You can get a decent ECS dual card Z68 board for like r8-900, and a 2500k for r1600, and that's plenty cheap and plenty powerful. One possible winning scenario is if Bulldozer is truly backwards compatible with older am3 boards in which case you wouldn't need a 990FX which is very pricey by itself. Then you could sell your current cpu and pop in an 8150 or so and get a decent upgrade for quite cheap.
 
it is confirmed that it does work, some guys running msi 890fx and asus 890fx on XS forums, without any problems.

just a bios update and your sorted, wanted to go for the msi 890fxa-gd70, seems you cant get them anymore, wanted the dual lan :(
 
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