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And CNN is the best source?
...and yet it makes sense to have BEE. If its always so easy then why do black people need help?If you want it you can get it. If these buggers living in trailer parks would stop drinking and fking and get off their asses and work harder they could rise above their current conditions. I dont know how many times when I was younger. I worked as a barman or waiter just to get enough money in to better myself. Even now, at 30 something. I am starting a new degree completely unrelated to my work. If you are a good hard worker, there is almost always work for you. Even if its casual.
Oh yeah, thanks for your signature btw (Southbit). I sent a server to them to be recovered
It was not an argument for why poverty exists.
It will, then Ill be able to debate your faith based economics much betterKudos for that. The economics will do wonders for you. I'm holding thumbs that you pull out of this socialist mindset. We'll see...
I never said that either. It certainly did help me pay the rent and better myself though.
Its a nice big recovery, so they should milk it for a lot of cash
As is evidenced from the backlash, not everyone agrees. And I'm not some militant ANC supporter. I can't stand the ANC. I just feel that the report tried too hard to separate an issue that doesn't require separation, and where such separation serves no purpose apart from dividing us even further. I also disagree that whites are poor for completely different reasons to everyone else. That I just think is nonsense, as I posted earlier...
EDIT: and my prediction came true. The issue is no longer about poverty - but black vs white. See, the issue itself is being overlooked in favour of the racial divide...
Hey black shack dweller, ever heard of unisa?
Odd coming from you, the poster boy of big government programs looking to spread the wealth down.
Why is it one sided? Everyone knows there are many black people living in abject poverty in SA and so it is not that newsworthy, while alot of people don't know there are white people who are poor in SA.
I was chatting to a white southern suburbs lady the other day and she told me that there are no white people living in poverty in SA! I hope she watches RT
Do you drive? Have you been on the roads?
There are lots of white people at robots with help me, God bless you signs.
It's much better than Fox or RT, I'm just amazed that there is something on RT that isn't UFO sitings.
Im all for offering free or close to free university like a more civilized country like Canada, Norway or Finland.
If you want it you can get it. If these buggers living in trailer parks would stop drinking and fking and get off their asses and work harder they could rise above their current conditions. I dont know how many times when I was younger. I worked as a barman or waiter just to get enough money in to better myself. Even now, at 30 something. I am starting a new degree completely unrelated to my work. If you are a good hard worker, there is almost always work for you. Even if its casual.
Oh yeah, thanks for your signature btw (Southbit). I sent a server to them to be recovered
Are you referring to black people there?
Interestingly, there is more and more free options online.
Are you referring to black people there?
[video=youtube;Or0Bf_KSwmQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or0Bf_KSwmQ[/video]
OK white people then, how relieving...
It was not an argument for why poverty exists.
When you look at how that line of reasoning would have progressed, it is. Saying (and I'm paraphrasing here) "if they just got off their arses and studied/worked they wouldn't be in that position" is the same as saying poverty exists for the same reasons. When you extrapolate that argument to everyone living under the poverty line. Hence why I said that is far too much of an over-simplification of the issue...
It will, then Ill be able to debate your faith based economics much better
Argh. I still have faith that you'll be "enlightened"...
Once again, I tend to argue from an economic perspective so view things in that way. IOW, if it isn't going to work, no point spending time, effort and money on it. Like developing the casual labour market. After all, we're talking about poverty in general here...
Did you not read the OP?
You should try reading threads so you understand context. Give it a try next time. Then you dont have to ask dumb questions.Argh. I still have faith that you'll be "enlightened"...
Probably not in the way you want. Ill be studying things like the Keynesian model. You know... stuff that economists who use empirical evidence, mathematical models and such use. I think Ill be joining most of the worlds economists (as most of the world uses the Keynesian economic model). Im not sure Ill become an Paulite and subscribe to his "small government" pseudo-economics that is based on the Austrian school of economics. Which what economists see as their version of creationism. A school of economics that rejects empirical evidence. Well... let me quote from Wiki what real economists think of Paulite Austrian economics:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_School
So yeah, just like I am going to listen to a biologist over a creationist, I am ganna listen to a normal economist over someone who promotes the mindlessness from the Austrian school of economics. Its just how I roll.
[video=youtube;467hCNuGvNw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=467hCNuGvNw[/video]
I agree, if government can do anything to change the lives of its people its really in the area of education. Beyond that, well it comes down to people getting off their butts and making something of themselves.
Most of those poor white people are there because they have made bad choices in their lives, on that we agree, but a race based policy which discriminates against a race, even when looking to do good is immoral however you look at it, and in some instances will contribute to the poverty of the group it takes from. How many middle to upper class black people continue to get aided by this racist policy? Its crazy, and once again highlights the stupidity of building policies around race.
Its a pity that the retards that ran the Apartheid government didnt think of that... then perhaps they would not have created the poverty along racial lines, and we would not have to be paying for their stupidity and greed today.
That's not what I'm referring to. There are stats that show (in the short term) that welfare works. And it does. In the short term. As previously discussed, it is not a long term solution. I even pointed out the issues from a short term perspective and the issues in attempting to transpose a welfare based system on to infant democracies.
Issue here is that there is no statistically relevant data for small government models. Yet...