ANC or nothing

[Morgoth]

Aparthied history is bloating your brain youngster . We lived in harmony and sometimes we had a few fisticuffs and a few spears were chucked but at the end of the day it was all good . At 1st van ribheki came , he was n`t a bad guy . its unfortunate the crowd that he told about the beauties of Africa was out of control . Soon as they got off van ribheki`s boats it was a free for all . Women being raped , people being cursed at , people being shot at, you name it .

erm no, explain Shaka's Dfkane and why countries like Lesotho and Matabeleland were founded....(even their history dictates his brutality, told by the people of Lesotho!), there have been loads more before him and after him, this is evident on how Africa is being run post independence, it has all been a scramble for survival..

 

[I am Penguin]

The white people built SA infrastructure for many years trying to make it like europe or even better , of which I applaud , thats why I said this part of Africa is for all of us . But dont look at history with a fear of retribution . Let the truth be told I am an africanist but I am no racist , whites did a great job in this country and colonisation was the best thing that happened .
BUT BUT we the consquences were harsh and I think fairness of land would be a good thing .

You can try and fool some with this post but not most of the many that read the rest of this thread. You really are a confused individual.

 

[semiautomatix]

Thats the thing , its our africa . On the other hand you are not african to tell us anything , you are children of settlers and pillagers . Why then if our continent is full of demise and defeat you stay in it and cause more mayhem ? Is it because you do not know your roots . We didnt cordially invite anyone onto our soils we only made the mistake of not minding you around . Only for you to drive the dagger right into our backs .

You're also a settler you arrogant fool! Your people do not hail from southern Africa, they come from Nigeria. The real inhabitants of this land (the Khoisan) were brutally killed and slaughtered by your settler forebears.

You're quite quick to accept European inventions and money, though I note. Thoroughly non-African, but only when it suits you, ey? You're about as two-faced as the come and racists like don't deserve to be a part of this great nation.

 

[undesign]

JC boys, this thread is nasty. Some of these comments, from both "sides", are just saddening. What about keeping the moral high-ground? This thread perfectly explains my pessimism about our continued long-term co-existence in good ol' SA.

A bridge too far. Hopefully I'm wrong.

 

[vantage]

You can try and fool some with this post but not most of the many that read the rest of this thread. You really are a confused individual.

At what cost was all this to the African ?? Priceless . You cant put a price on the mayhem that was caused on the african but you find accountants , economists to find the net worth of rich white folk .

 

[HapticSimian]

The white people built SA infrastructure for many years trying to make it like europe or even better , of which I applaud , thats why I said this part of Africa is for all of us . But dont look at history with a fear of retribution . Let the truth be told I am an africanist but I am no racist , whites did a great job in this country and colonisation was the best thing that happened .
BUT BUT we the consquences were harsh and I think fairness of land would be a good thing .

The inequities of many years, none of which anyone with half a brain would contest, indeed need to be seen to. BUT, and here's the problem, the inequities of decades don't get wiped out in mere years. What I see from my black countrymen at large is a yearning for quick fixes, for instant gratification. That doesn't work. As a people the 'native' Africans need to develop some self-esteem, instead of self-entitlement. I see an utter lack of WANTING, of HUNGERING for betterment - it's just so much easier to expect everything to magically right itself overnight.

With the passing of Apartheid in '94 the locals were very quick to oust any white person from every position of power and influence. Through a nepotist wave, these positions were filled with black folk not qualified to handle a mop, let alone be left to handle every last aspect of the running of a developing country. THAT is the cause of the problems we have now. Outcomes-based education. The state of the SABC. The State of Eskom. The list is endless.

It takes a degree of self-awareness to realise one is not qualified to handle a given task. It takes courage to stand up and say "you can do this better than I can, but let me learn from you." It takes utter cowardice to barge in & take over without the slightest idea of what you're doing.

The past needs to be left where it is - buried in a ditch. And the people of SA need to start realising that we're in this mess together, and we'll sink or swim... together. At present, your beloved ANC is sinking this country. I fully understand where your loyalty for the ANC comes from, but the way they're going about things, it is sorely misplaced.

 

[Morgoth]

You're also a settler you arrogant fool! Your people do not hail from southern Africa, they come from Nigeria. The real inhabitants of this land (the Khoisan) were brutally killed and slaughtered by your settler forebears.

You're quite quick to accept European inventions and money, though I note. Thoroughly non-African, but only when it suits you, ey? You're about as two-faced as the come and racists like don't deserve to be a part of this great nation.

at least the racists are honest and straight forward, these back-strabing, behind the scences racists are the ones that we should be worried about.

 

[semiautomatix]

The white people built SA infrastructure for many years trying to make it like europe or even better , of which I applaud , thats why I said this part of Africa is for all of us . But dont look at history with a fear of retribution . Let the truth be told I am an africanist but I am no racist , whites did a great job in this country and colonisation was the best thing that happened .
BUT BUT we the consquences were harsh and I think fairness of land would be a good thing .

What you fail to realise is that those plans and drawings are there for all South Africans to use. There is no reason this government can't do as much good as the colonialists did, there just seems to be something inherently flawed in the ANC. The ANC is not a political party as long as it still thinks it's a liberation movement trying to help a brutha out.

 

[HapticSimian]

Oh, and to chime in with SiriS - we're going to have another locked isede-thread soon... whooooosaaaah.

 

[Morgoth]

The ANC is nothing more than an emotional circus.

 

[semiautomatix]

at least the racists are honest and straight forward, these back-strabing, behind the scences racists are the ones that we should be worried about.

It's sad when there are so many good people of all races in this country that we have to be held to ransom by the wanton bigotry of a small minority.

 

[vantage]

You're also a settler you arrogant fool! Your people do not hail from southern Africa, they come from Nigeria. The real inhabitants of this land (the Khoisan) were brutally killed and slaughtered by your settler forebears.

You're quite quick to accept European inventions and money, though I note. Thoroughly non-African, but only when it suits you, ey? You're about as two-faced as the come and racists like don't deserve to be a part of this great nation.

Do I accept them or do I buy them like you do ?
All I am saying is that whites are not african natives but they made an effort to build and develop africa. No question our ancestors were going to be colonised at some stage .
I am not aginst whites at all , its just that penguin thing is throwing racist stuff along my way .

 

[Morgoth]

It's sad when there are so many good people of all races in this country that we have to be held to ransom by the wanton bigotry of a small minority.

yup, the racists that are out in the open pose really no threat to this country(eg. see AWB), at worse they move a shack or 2, but the behind the scenes 2 faces cowards (see ANC) are the ones that is destroying it.