ANC - Western Cape independence!

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I really doubt the ANC will ever just gladly hand over a portion of the country, including the 3rd biggest provincial economy because of "counter-revolutionaries"....

Lets think about it. Most of the ANC supporters do not want the counter-revolutionaries in "their" country. So we can solve the problem by giving the cape independence - Win-Win situation.
 
can we close this thread please!

Dude from what I've seen/heard you're a pretty stand up bloke, you don't see anyone asking for your threads to be closed? This is a current affairs section, the Cape Independence topic is being discussed at length and seems to have quite a bit of interest atm (so much so that there's 2 threads :D, maybe join them?).
 
Retrobok : Thats not a solution the ANC will even contemplate, and neither should anyone else in all honesty....

Plus the number of "counter-revolutionaries" is so small as to be pretty much insignificant.
 
I'm referring specifically to the Cape-Independence people..

The DA supporters etc may be labelled as "counter-revolutionaries", but they're at least working towards making this country a better place, instead of trying to split it up.
 
I'm referring specifically to the Cape-Independence people..

The DA supporters etc may be labelled as "counter-revolutionaries", but they're at least working towards making this country a better place, instead of trying to split it up.

We were talking on how you are going to sell it to the ANC and their supporters.
 
Retrobok : Thats not a solution the ANC will even contemplate, and neither should anyone else in all honesty....

Plus the number of "counter-revolutionaries" is so small as to be pretty much insignificant.

Dude I admire your strong opposition to the independence of the Cape really I do, however as stated before at the moment it's a waiting game (Well for me at least) to see how the Cape Party handles this. I know within the 2 threads that are currently being posted to there are people making silly statements (from both sides of the argument). I'm going to ask one of the Cape Party founders to come to the forum and discuss all of the issues raised and to answer questions anyone may have (myself included). They need to clear up a few things and to set some people straight (People talking about race/elitism etc).

They way I see things it has nothing to do with any of the above, it's just normal, highly motivated people wanting to live in a safe prosperous area and are trying to get it off the ground, sure there are some "fuzzy" parts but I think we have to give them a chance to clear them up. I also realise there are people like yourself that consider themselves to be South African and love South Africa and would oppose anything like this as it would break the country up.

Truth be told if there was another party doing the same thing in any of the other provinces I'd be supporting them too. I love S.A. and I love being a South African, and I'm proud to be one, however in my opinion, South Africa's days are numbered and I really cannot see South Africa ever attaining it's past glory (and no I'm not talking about apartheid). This country had so much promise and so much potential circa 1994 and none of it, absolutely none of it has been realised. 15 years is more than enough time to at least make a decent start, but unfortunately the current government has resorted to type (African politics, see failed states of Africa) where nepotism, and corruption are rife.

I'm not denying this doesn't happen elsewhere of course but not on a par as it is happening in S.A. What's wrong with wanting to live in a relatively crime free, prosperous country/state, one where you do not have to keep looking over your shoulder, one where having electric fences around your property is the exception rather than the norm?

Yes the Cape does have it's problems with all of the above but under the right governance it will soon sort itself out. The DA in fact has the ball in their court, and under them the Cape can prosper, and prove that it can be done in S.A. in a relatively short space of time. (See Captetownguy's threads). This even with the ANC trying to stonewall them every step of the way. Unfortunately the DA has a national agenda (which of course is their perogative) and they are being very unrealistic if they think they can ever achieve a national win. Just as unrealistic as a independent Cape? Maybe, but again time will tell.

In my view the Western Cape is the province that has the highest potential to become the best province in the country in respect of crime etc, and it stands to reason that it would be the best candidate as a starting point for the "repairing" of South Africa, a stepping stone if you will. To such a degree that maybe independence won't be necessary, but in the mean time I think to have a "back up plan" is the way to go. To me that back up plan is The Cape Party.
 
can we close this thread please!
Agreed!
These zealots are ignoring all of the pertinent issues being raised by TB, like for instance if say GP is won by the DA would they also campaign for a secession there. And all of the reasons given for the cape being different to the rest of the country were rebuffed for the BS they were, etc. This thread is a major troll fest for the gratification/promotion of some obscure right wing party with even narrower interests.

The fact that none of the major political players in the country have not bothered to say anything about this crusade shows how significant their campaign is seen to be.
 
Agreed!
These zealots are ignoring all of the pertinent issues being raised by TB, like for instance if say GP is won by the DA would they also campaign for a secession there. And all of the reasons given for the cape being different to the rest of the country were rebuffed for the BS they were, etc. This thread is a major troll fest for the gratification/promotion of some obscure right wing party with even narrower interests.

The fact that none of the major political players in the country have not bothered to say anything about this crusade shows how significant their campaign is seen to be.

Dude I don't see how you can say it's a right wing party...just because they don't agree with what you believe in?

EDIT: Read my post a few back where I say if other provinces wanted independence I'd support them? That's me...and good luck to them if they try.
 
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Dude I admire your strong opposition to the independence of the Cape really I do, however as stated before at the moment it's a waiting game (Well for me at least) to see how the Cape Party handles this. I know within the 2 threads that are currently being posted to there are people making silly statements (from both sides of the argument). I'm going to ask one of the Cape Party founders to come to the forum and discuss all of the issues raised and to answer questions anyone may have (myself included). They need to clear up a few things and to set some people straight (People talking about race/elitism etc).

They way I see things it has nothing to do with any of the above, it's just normal, highly motivated people wanting to live in a safe prosperous area and are trying to get it off the ground, sure there are some "fuzzy" parts but I think we have to give them a chance to clear them up. I also realise there are people like yourself that consider themselves to be South African and love South Africa and would oppose anything like this as it would break the country up.

Truth be told if there was another party doing the same thing in any of the other provinces I'd be supporting them too. I love S.A. and I love being a South African, and I'm proud to be one, however in my opinion, South Africa's days are numbered and I really cannot see South Africa ever attaining it's past glory (and no I'm not talking about apartheid). This country had so much promise and so much potential circa 1994 and none of it, absolutely none of it has been realised. 15 years is more than enough time to at least make a decent start, but unfortunately the current government has resorted to type (African politics, see failed states of Africa) where nepotism, and corruption are rife.

I'm not denying this doesn't happen elsewhere of course but not on a par as it is happening in S.A. What's wrong with wanting to live in a relatively crime free, prosperous country/state, one where you do not have to keep looking over your shoulder, one where having electric fences around your property is the exception rather than the norm?

Yes the Cape does have it's problems with all of the above but under the right governance it will soon sort itself out. The DA in fact has the ball in their court, and under them the Cape can prosper, and prove that it can be done in S.A. in a relatively short space of time. (See Captetownguy's threads). This even with the ANC trying to stonewall them every step of the way. Unfortunately the DA has a national agenda (which of course is their perogative) and they are being very unrealistic if they think they can ever achieve a national win. Just as unrealistic as a independent Cape? Maybe, but again time will tell.

In my view the Western Cape is the province that has the highest potential to become the best province in the country in respect of crime etc, and it stands to reason that it would be the best candidate as a starting point for the "repairing" of South Africa, a stepping stone if you will. To such a degree that maybe independence won't be necessary, but in the mean time I think to have a "back up plan" is the way to go. To me that back up plan is The Cape Party.

Very well said bru, hear hear!
 
Agreed!
These zealots are ignoring all of the pertinent issues being raised by TB, like for instance if say GP is won by the DA would they also campaign for a secession there. And all of the reasons given for the cape being different to the rest of the country were rebuffed for the BS they were, etc. This thread is a major troll fest for the gratification/promotion of some obscure right wing party with even narrower interests.

The fact that none of the major political players in the country have not bothered to say anything about this crusade shows how significant their campaign is seen to be.

You obviously know very little about the Cape Party and why it is they want to secede, please read through previous posts before making assumptions.
 
Please explain? They are hardly right wing, you're bringing race into this and it's not about race.

The Cape Party clearly discriminated on other cultures this past election. They handed out pamphlets blaming "black migrants" for taking away jobs from locals. They specifically blamed migrants from the Eastern Cape.
Adrian Kray (Cape Party) also stated: "I can’t have a radically different view of the world to someone else and still get along… We can have differences of opinion, but not totally different cultures,”.
They might not be blatantly racist, but their comments clearly show intolerance towards the other.

Their mentality of "the Western Cape is better than everyone else, and if you're from up north - then we don't like you" cr@p, is also pathetic.

The Cape Party (or anyone else for that fact) should never "own" the Western Cape. The Western Cape, (with the rest of SA), is owned by all its citizens.
How would you react if the ANC suddenly wanted to claim Gauteng for eg. as their own?

This independence drivel will only create problems.

If this thread has already created much opposition in its minuscule reach, how many people would oppose it on a provincial and/or national level?

Waste of time IMO.
 
The Cape Party clearly discriminated on other cultures this past election. They handed out pamphlets blaming "black migrants" for taking away jobs from locals. They specifically blamed migrants from the Eastern Cape.
Adrian Kray (Cape Party) also stated: "I can’t have a radically different view of the world to someone else and still get along… We can have differences of opinion, but not totally different cultures,”.
They might not be blatantly racist, but their comments clearly show intolerance towards the other.

Their mentality of "the Western Cape is better than everyone else, and if you're from up north - then we don't like you" cr@p, is also pathetic.

The Cape Party (or anyone else for that fact) should never "own" the Western Cape. The Western Cape, (with the rest of SA), is owned by all its citizens.
How would you react if the ANC suddenly wanted to claim Gauteng for eg. as their own?

This independence drivel will only create problems.

If this thread has already created much opposition in its minuscule reach, how many people would oppose it on a provincial and/or national level?

Waste of time IMO.


“Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence.”
Albert Einstein quotes
 
In light of some requests that a Cape Party Representative be sent to this site to answer questions and issues raised, The Cape Party has opened a dedicated account to operate on this forum.
 
“Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence.”
Albert Einstein quotes


So your not opposing what he has stated?
 
Interesting choice of quote from Cape-Independence, and as always it doesn't actually answer the questions posed to it.
 
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