ANCYL brands Afrikaners

Captain Slog said:
I know that I am probably going to get shot down for this, but here goes:

Most of us whities benefitted from apartheid in that the whole country was set up for us - we recieved better schooling, our families had virtually 100% employment - based not on merit. There was enough money and status in the white family to boost the chances of their offspring. You started life with many advantages.

It will take a lot more than 20 years to level the playing fields - we will be be in the shadow of that evil regime for many, many more years.
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You are 100% right. The longer one relies on a crutch the more relient one becomes on said crutch

The playing field is becoming less and less level IMO. Great for the HAVES ... not so good for the HAVENOTS
 
Captain Slog said:
I know that I am probably going to get shot down for this, but here goes:

Most of us whities benefitted from apartheid in that the whole country was set up for us - we recieved better schooling, our families had virtually 100% employment - based not on merit. There was enough money and status in the white family to boost the chances of their offspring. You started life with many advantages.

It will take a lot more than 20 years to level the playing fields - we will be be in the shadow of that evil regime for many, many more years.
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I was only just born when apartheid was coming to it's end so I never benefited from it. If you want to look at it like that then the ANC also has benefitted from it, all the infrastructure and wealth that the evil white government had built up they just stepped into when they won the election in 94. All of which was developed under sanctions I might add, but that's the way it is, as a white I will always be called racist in this country by default, even though I have Xhosa neighbors and get on better with them than the others, oh wait that must just be my guilty white conscience for all the harm I've done to the African's. It's like the movie I watched the other night when a black kid at a so called white college was under a racist attack, in the end he was doing it to himself and when asked why he said all the white people were nice to him and his father had told him to be ready for the day when he was called the N word, when nobody did he created a situation himself.
 
Captain Slog said:
I know that I am probably going to get shot down for this, but here goes:

Most of us whities benefitted from apartheid in that the whole country was set up for us - we recieved better schooling, our families had virtually 100% employment - based not on merit. There was enough money and status in the white family to boost the chances of their offspring. You started life with many advantages.

It will take a lot more than 20 years to level the playing fields - we will be be in the shadow of that evil regime for many, many more years.
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Really? So where was your father's job reserved? And you mother? Did you have a job with your name on it when you left school?
 
Fsck anyone who says my skin got me where I am today. Fsck 'em to hell! :mad:

My dad got retrenched at 50 because of being white after working for his company for over 30 years. Who hires a 50y/o male in post-apartheid SA? Nobody.

Working for R200/week and a full day + 5pm until 3am & working for free at some places just for experience got me here. F you and your sense of entitlement.
 
in all of apartheid the total was around 600 deaths
 
sox63 said:
Link?
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http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/321.htm
According to the HRC statistics, 21,000 people died in political violence in South Africa during apartheid – of whom 14,000 people died during the six-year transition process from 1990 to 1994. The book lists the number of incidents, dates, and those involved.

This includes SA Defence Force actions, for instance the 600 deaths at Kassinga in Angola during the war in 1978.

Of those deaths, the vast majority, 92%, have been primarily due to Africans killing Africans — such as the inter-tribal battles for territory: this book’s detailed analyses of the period June 1990 to July 1993 indicates a total of 8580 (92%) of the 9,325 violent deaths during the period June 1990 to July 1993 were caused by Africans killing Africans, or as the news media often calls it, “Black on Black” violence – hostel killings, Inkatha Freedom Party versus ANC killlings, and taxi and turf war violence.

The activities of the Civil Cooperation Bureau as outlined by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, were also included in these figures.

The security forces caused 518 deaths (5.6%) throughout this period.

And again, during the transitional period, the primary causes of deaths were not security forces nor white right-wing violence against blacks, but mainly due to “black-on-black necklace murders”, tribal conflict between the ANC-IFP, bombs by the ANC and PAC’s military wings in shopping centers, landmines on farm roads, etc.
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http://www.justice.gov.za/trc/media/1997/9705/s970527b.htm
The manuscript mentions, among its statistics:

- 80,000 detentions without trial for periods of up to three years, including the detention of about 10,000 women and at least 15000 children under the age of 18;

- 73 deaths in detention recorded by the HRC as deaths while in the hands of the security police;

- 37 names of those who died while in custody of the uniformed police under politically-related circumstances;

- 3000 people served banning or restriction orders in terms of security legislation;

- 15000 people charged under security legislation since 1950 in political trials, and the 49 names of those who paid the ultimate price of political execution;

- 7000 political deaths between 1948 and 1989 and 46 massacres in that period, as well as i4000 lives lost and 22000 injuries in the period 1990 to the elections in 1994; and

- abductions (30), disappearances (38) and internal assassinations (150).

Hit squad and vigilante group activities in covert repression are also documented.
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Nod said:
Really? So where was your father's job reserved? And you mother? Did you have a job with your name on it when you left school?
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My parents were self employed and, yes it would have been easy for me to walk into a job as a laaitie

People that worked at parastatals had jobs meerly because Pa or Oom worked there - ESKOM, ISCOR, TELKOM, to name a few
 
Captain Slog said:
People that worked at parastatals had jobs meerly because Pa or Oom worked there - ESKOM, ISCOR, TELKOM, to name a few
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Cr@p, all of those places had independent personnel departments that were in charge of recruitment.

Think that you've been smoking too much of that stuff from KZN !
 
Captain Slog said:
My parents were self employed and, yes it would have been easy for me to walk into a job as a laaitie

People that worked at parastatals had jobs meerly because Pa or Oom worked there - ESKOM, ISCOR, TELKOM, to name a few
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There's a huge fk'ing difference between nepotism and a stranger giving you a job based on the colour of your skin.
 
Voicy said:
Fsck anyone who says my skin got me where I am today. Fsck 'em to hell! :mad:

My dad got retrenched at 50 because of being white after working for his company for over 30 years. Who hires a 50y/o male in post-apartheid SA? Nobody.

Working for R200/week and a full day + 5pm until 3am & working for free at some places just for experience got me here. F you and your sense of entitlement.
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Let's not degenerate into insults!

I am 49 and working outside the country because I can not get a job in SA in the industry that I have 30 years experience in - I have been unable to work in SA for the past 17 years! I work away for 4 months and then get 2 weeks off! What is your father's experience in? He has at least 15 years good work left in him outside the country. By the way, I HATE it and it is not fekken fair, but c'est la vie, shyte happens.

If your father was a farm labourer and you had no education, where would you be now boyo? You are advantaged due to who you are - face it, accept it and then move on.
 
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Voicy said:
There's a huge fk'ing difference between nepotism and a stranger giving you a job based on the colour of your skin.
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Bolox dude - the whole system was set up to help the white afrikaaner - do you think that Sipho Gumede or Koos Van Den Burgh would get the job at Oom Jannie's Paneel Kloppers?
 
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Jola said:
Cr@p, all of those places had independent personnel departments that were in charge of recruitment.

Think that you've been smoking too much of that stuff from KZN !
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Ok, so the Personnel departments were recruiting young black guys during apartheid days. Sorry, I was wrong.
 
ROFL!

I got my first serious job when I met my boss to be in a chatroom.
He never knew my skin colour till he met me.

My dad was self employed, my mom unemployed. From Std 7 on There were black kids in my class, who had the unfair advantage between me and my classmates when we matriculated in 1995?
 
Captain Slog said:
Let's not degenerate into insults!

I am 49 and working outside the country because I can not get a job in SA in the industry that I have 30 years experience in - I have been unable to work in SA for the past 17 years! I work away for 4 months and then get 2 weeks off! What is your father's experience in? He has at least 15 years good work left in him outside the country.
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It's 13 years too late for that now. He was a C3 tech. in Telkom all that time. He's kept himself busy and sustained us for the last 13 years doing handy man work.

You are advantaged due to who you are - face it, accept it and then move on.
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So I landed my waitering and bar tending jobs because of my skin colour? I highly doubt it. Also - I went to a black technikon (no lush student life driving daddy's BMW) because my parents couldn't send me to varsity. I paid my own fees. Out of a class of 65 who started their engineering course, I was one of only 2 who finished. Was it because I'm white?

When I wasn't working at the bar until 3am on weekdays, I'd be at tech until 9pm every night to be on top of my work along with another black dude. I couldn't get a job at a firm for my practical due to their BEE status. So I offered to work there for free just as long as I could get the experience and have my logbook signed and then worked at night to sustain it.

As for the name calling, I'm referring to those self-entitled prats who want everything to be handed to them, not you. My apologies if I offended you.
 
Captain Slog said:
I am 49 and working outside the country because I can not get a job in SA in the industry that I have 30 years experience in - I have been unable to work in SA for the past 17 years! I work away for 4 months and then get 2 weeks off! What is your father's experience in? He has at least 15 years good work left in him outside the country. By the way, I HATE it and it is not fekken fair, but c'est la vie, shyte happens.
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I couldn't find work at all in my line of study. After 10+ years of doing other stuff, it is useless to even try and get back into that.

The fact is, there was NO job reservation. You had to compete with another white oke, if you wanted a job. You still got that job based on merit. The job seeker market was just smaller.

Today, you not only have to compete with other white guys based on merit, but you also have to figure in AA policies and BEE targets. Even if the position is available to you, you still won't get appointed as your appointment will screw up the BEE target for that company. Not what AA is all about, but this is how it works in practice.
 
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