ANCYL trashes toilets

[GRBoy]

What do you feel about that statement? I feel that on the basis a world class city like Cape Town surrounds them, the city really skimped on them when not building enclosures in the first place.

capd - Where does the money come from to pay for everything they and everybody else need? The city and the province collect taxes from people who are fortunate enough to earn a salary or own property. That money has to be divided amongst many priorities. It is impossible for a few taxpayers to provide in all the needs of the poor. I am sure you understand that there are very few people in this country who pay direct taxes - they cannot pay for everything all the poor need like housing, toilets, water, electricity, health care, education etc etc etc There is only so much that can be done with the available funds and attention given to the greatest need. Somehow the people need to do something for themselves as well. I do not think your comment that the city skimped in not building enclosures is well thought through.

 

[capd]

What is the relevance of the quote ? The City didn't build the world class suburbs, people paid for that themselves, and some of them are foreigners. All the City does is to charge them as much as possible in rates and taxes, but you can't build free Rolls-Royce toilets from blackmailing the wealthy - it only goes so far !

It obviously wasnt implied that the city itself built the world class suburbs with it's own money.

And the the city uses the money it to maintain the city. Yet it couldn't allocate enough to build simple enclosures to keep some people happy and prevent them from striking and destroying stuff?

I get the impression that you do not have a clue.

I get the impression that you do not understand the challenges a historically-exacerbated poor and disadvantaged person has trying to live an acceptable life, especially while all around them is world class cities and wealth.

The problem is the Culture of Entitlement in this country - go and ask JM, he knows all about it and has lots of cash - maybe he can build a few toilets.

A problem the past created which needs to be addressed properly.

 

[Jola]

The bottom line is there are now no walls - and just whose fault is that ?

But the problem is this :

Here we have an intelligent person (capd) arguing like a stone-age cave-dweller, and just not being able to grasp the issue.

How the hell is anyone going to convince the people and the ANCYL of the complete stupidity of this issue.

The Culture of Entitlement overrides everything !!!

This, even more than the hi-jackings, home invasions, rape and murder makes me despondent about the future of the country.

And Transnet employees turn down increases double the inflation rate, and inflict damages of over R1 000 000 000 on the farming sector alone (see Business Day 25/05/2010).

I need a beer, this crazy sh|t will get me down !

 

[capd]

And then when they built enclosures, they tore them down as "inadequate".. They were always going to find an excuse to complain. If they had built the toilets they had wanted, they would have complained that the money had been unnecessarily wasted on toilets while their houses are of worse quality than the toilets..

So.. how are the toilets in JHB squatter camp toilets? Are they awesome or what?

I condone the behaviour.

At least they houses had walls!

 

[GRBoy]

I know. But the poor see budgets being used on other massive projects that they would never benefit from, while they have to k@k in public.

I agree - such as R30bn being spent on arms so that the ANC hoi-poloi could get kick-backs. How many toilets do you think that could have enclosed?

What is happening in Khayelitsha though is nothing but ANCYL politicking against the DA and bloody idiotic to say the least.

Now is the time for reasonable blacks to stand up and come to the party. It is the only hope for this country. As long as they cling to the ANC we are not going to get very far.

 

[avaratz]

I condone the behaviour.

At least they houses had walls!

You're making such a huge fuss about this - the ANC doesn't build ANY toilets for the squatter camps in their provinces. Surely making someone **** in public in a bush is worse than agreeing that they can build their own enclosures and giving them toilets. Is it not then hypocritical for the Youth League to cause so much trouble over this? I think that's what most people are arguing about. Not the social side, but the political side.

I can partly understand where you're coming from. But the fact that this was turned into a political issue rather than a social one is something that is too hard to overlook.

 

[Jola]

And the the city uses the money it to maintain the city. Yet it couldn't allocate enough to build simple enclosures to keep some people happy and prevent them from striking and destroying stuff?

There is only so much money !!! And wasting a sh|tload of it on the SWC doesn't help ! But the people wanted the SWC !

A problem the past created which needs to be addressed properly.

You can't blame the past for everything. Only the people older than 10 in 1989 even have an idea of the "past". And they really have to be older than that to really appreciate it.

The "Culture of Entitlement" is just pure greed, whether you want free Rolls-Royce toilets or really expensive watches (from tenderpreneurship).

 

[daveza]

How many toilets could be built for 300 K each month - the cost of protecting Julitot who is not even an MP ?

This same person is in charge of those who are now telling his followers to trash Cape Town.

 

[killadoob]

Capd the people kukking in public know the anc is stealing all the money, yet they go to the voting stations and tick the anc box, now we must feel sorry for them?

I used to have the same perspective until the last election, i could not believe how many flipping idiots there are in this country. Now i feel nothing anymore, if you cannot help yourself don't expect others to help you. If they all got to together and wanted change it could happen but no, rather kuk in public than vote for the DA or whatever and then destroy shyte when you do not get all the free stuff promised to you by a corrupt government .

You do not need to be educated to see the anc is not delivering.

I wish people would stop looking at the past, FFS how much money does the anc waste on tenders, arms deals, high end cars? Please F the past is over and gone yet it is getting blamed for the anc's stealing and plundering. O we have no houses, we have no jobs its the bloody white mans fault for oppressing us 20 years ago, it has nothing to do with our precious black government that we are living in poverty. WTF are people going to stop blaming the past for the ANC's corruption? Some people still believe the west/colonialists destroyed zimbabwe

Letting zimbabwe go to the wall and doing nothing to stop it and then allowing 5 million zimbo's in did not help our cause either. It is time people start blaming the the ANC and stop with the past this or the past that. What was the arms deal? 80b rand or something idiotic, imagine how many houses, toilet etc that money could have produced.

People are living in poverty because of the government not the white man, look at africa FFS. Nothing but a shyte hole with massive poverty and all poor african countries have one thing in common. No it is not the white man oppressing them, it is a corrupt government.

 

[Jola]

Some people still believe the west/colonialists destroyed zimbabwe

SA did, by pulling the plug on Smith and handing the country on a plate to Mugabe. And supporting him right through to the present.

So, in a perverse way, they are right - but for the wrong reasons !!!

 

[capd]

You still didn't read the article. All of the toilets were enclosed before the destruction took place.

Stop distorting the facts !!!

How am I? The material is what was the problem with some residents (hence "skimp")

Lillian Zono, one of several people who confronted Plato, said residents wanted nothing less than concrete structures: "These toilets will not last. The wind will blow it down. You treat us like baboons. This will never happen in Mitchells Plain, Bellville or Eerste River."

Seems concrete is more durable?

Asked what right they had to destroy structures when residents had agreed, Ward 95 Development Forum leader Andile Lile said a community meeting on Sunday had decided to reject the enclosures.

"We've been given a mandate by the community to fight against this," he said.

Ofcourse they have no right to destroy them. But what would you think "this" would be? I think they are p1ssed off that they are given the bare minimum and expected to be happy with it?

Pressed about the fact that residents had signed an agreement and had a right to choose, Lile said: "I believe in majority rule. It must be a principle position for all of us here and not for individuals. The majority does not want this and we cannot accommodate individuals who betray us."

Lile denied there was an agreement with Plato and claimed residents were misled.

So the majority of their community disagreed. I assume their community fell under an umbrella of communities (which agreed to building walls themselvs?)

You are not doing yourself any favours by arguing like this, it just makes you look extremely foolish.

Like what? If ya say so.

 

[Jola]

How am I? The material is what was the problem with some residents (hence "skimp").

So when you are shown to be wrong you change your argument ???

You were complaining about having to sh|t in public !!!

capd, you are a <sensored> !!!! [insert appropriate word starting with a consonant]

 

[capd]

I agree - such as R30bn being spent on arms so that the ANC hoi-poloi could get kick-backs. How many toilets do you think that could have enclosed?

Precisely.

What is happening in Khayelitsha though is nothing but ANCYL politicking against the DA and bloody idiotic to say the least.

I'm sure! I'm also sure residents feel hard done by.

Now is the time for reasonable blacks to stand up and come to the party. It is the only hope for this country. As long as they cling to the ANC we are not going to get very far.

Will be great to see but I wouldn't expect it from the AN.

 

[killadoob]

SA did, by pulling the plug on Smith and handing the country on a plate to Mugabe. And supporting him right through to the present.

So, in a perverse way, they are right - but for the wrong reasons !!!

Smith had no choice and it was not handed to mugabe.Abel Muzorewa became prime minister. Mugabe came to power in 1990 long after smith.

 

[Jola]

Smith had no choice ...

Why did he have no choice ? Because SA closed the border, and cut the electricity and fuel. That's the only reason.

Remember, there were no other open borders, so no alternative supplies.

Sure there was pressure from the freedom fighters receiving huge amounts of military supplies from Russia and China, but they could have held out much longer.

And it was the closure of the border that set in motion events leading to Mugabe taking over.

BTW, exactly the actions SA took against Smith could have been used at any time in the last few years against Mugabe. But the ANC and Mugabe are mates, so no chance.

 

[TheHiveMind]

I condone the behaviour.

At least they houses had walls!

Metal sheeting walls. Just like the toilets. Why don't they tear their houses down too, and trash all their own stuff because they didn't do a good job of building them. They should teach themselves a lesson.

 

[Jola]

They should teach themselves a lesson.

Yes, and the ANCYL criminals while they are at it.

Now will Zille have the balls to make sure that those thugs are criminally charged ????

 

[The_Assimilator]

Ofcourse they have no right to destroy them. But what would you think "this" would be? I think they are p1ssed off that they are given the bare minimum and expected to be happy with it?

If the residents actually paid for the electricity and water they use, and paid tax on the income they earn, and didn't act as if all their problems are caused by everyone else - yes, then they would have a right to complain. But what they are doing now is called "biting the hand that feeds you" and it's extremely stupid.

Contrary to what you seem to believe, the few (taxpayers) do not exist to pay the bills of the many.

 

[capd]

There is only so much money !!! And wasting a sh|tload of it on the SWC doesn't help ! But the people wanted the SWC !

Stop being so rude. Puleez, the people who need it most would obviously want a better life than have the SWC. I do believe that the SWC will in the longer run bring many opportunities into SA which inevitably contribute to the on going upliftment of the poor.

You can't blame the past for everything. Only the people older than 10 in 1989 even have an idea of the "past". And they really have to be older than that to really appreciate it.

Garbage, the past enriched families whose new generations still benefit from Apartheid. This automatically means that that those previously disadvantaged families new generations still suffer from Apartheid. It is apparent to me that you not see further than your nose?

The "Culture of Entitlement" is just pure greed, whether you want free Rolls-Royce toilets or really expensive watches (from tenderpreneurship).

Greed when abused. and only if all colours were afforded equal opportunity in the past, without certain colours being witheld from advancing and developing.

 

[Kosmik]

What a utter waste.

They have no toilets so they are offered their own toilet if they help build the walls around it. Most people get them and build their walls but a few complain and don't. Then those get their walls built anyway. Now we have toilets with walls and the ANCYL comes and tears it down and the community just stands there?

They can hand out shovels next time.

ANCYL, bringing the barbarism to the rainbow nation near you.