ANCYL trashes toilets

[DreamKing]

Most business (>80% ?) is owned by whites. Whites would prefer to employ whites because the injustices of the past generally mean that whites are more educated and well off, have more western tradition and upbringing and are therefore prepared to work harder because they understand more about life and achieving, etc.

The Patrice Motsepe example shows us what can happen when blacks are afforded equal opportunities and work hard.

what a joke....

that is the answer?

The past is past, no one can change it! What you can change is the future. 100% own by white, so what? Why you can't educate yourself and show the world, "I can do it"? you cannot educate yourself because of "white own businesses"? You are telling me, "I am a dead wood, and I never can make fire." Fine, then die in peace, who cares? If you don't make yourself proud to be a useful human being, NO ONE has that obligation to make you one. If you want to work hard now, your next generation will benefit. If not, you will suffer forever and ever. Nothing will be changed for next 10000 years.

 

[Voltorr]

The past is past, no one can change it! What you can change is the future. 100% own by white, so what? Why you can't educate yourself and show the world, "I can do it"? you cannot educate yourself because of "white own businesses"? You are telling me, "I am a dead wood, and I never can make fire." Fine, then die in peace, who cares? If you don't make yourself proud to be a useful human being, NO ONE has that obligation to make you one. If you want to work hard now, your next generation will benefit. If not, you will suffer forever and ever. Nothing will be changed for next 10000 years.

I agree, in fact i would say it's gone well beyond "afforded equal opportunities" and it would be hard to disagree.

 

[capd]

Yes, you've got it almost right, it upbringing and culture that makes certain groups more productive / hard working, but this is not based on race - as I said before, if I need casual hire, I seek out Zim's in my area because they have a far better work ethic than locals.

I agree it's not a race thing. But you see, it is discriminated against as if it is, which makes achievement for the previously intentionally disadvantaged different and harder than just sucking up all the sweet advice to success dished out here.

 

[capd]

answer it


if you are not working hard NOW, how that possible the future will be changed? Don't fool yourself by "previous disadvantaged".

I would hope that due to the fact that they'd only have been able to have worked as a maid or a gardener due to the injustices of the past, that my they would have been a hard working maid and gardener married couple.

 

[capd]

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with it's impact, i'm saying equal opportunities for everyone will never exist regardless of race and our history .... maybe if we became communistic but then history has shown that will take away all opportunities.

Yeah no, i do understand that. As much as I'd like it to be different I do know and accept it is not possible. But I do not think being given concrete enclosures or at least ones of better strength and resistance to weather is communistic.

The opportunities that still see discrimination that need to be equaled out are those that I know and accept will never be afforded to the poor. They are the ones that are still favoured towards whites due to history and whites owning the majority of business.

Black Africans who want to be westernized suffer due to the historical discrimination.

 

[capd]

Why you can't educate yourself and show the world, "I can do it"?

Many have and do, the ones who have been afforded the western opportunity and upbringing to become westernized.

you cannot educate yourself because of "white own businesses"?

Not when Bantu edumacations and other Apartheid laws were around. And because of that historical fact it is harder to this day to get an education. And then because after education the business world is more in favour of whites, it harder to achieve as much as whites.

If you want to work hard now, your next generation will benefit. If not, you will suffer forever and ever. Nothing will be changed for next 10000 years.

And this is where the problem is... Blacks were not allowed to work hard during Apartheid which meant that future generations would be affected... Something which your ilk would deny if they were born after 1990... These are the injustices that need to be addressed. Which your ilk too would deny.

 

[Frankie]

Black Africans who want to be westernized suffer due to the historical discrimination.

You appear to have a serious inferiority complex, and / or just damn lazy and finding excuses for your lack of progress and achievement - keep living in the past and die poor, and lazy.

You're not alone, the ANC scumbags will forever blame apartheid, and they too will remain perpetual strugglers.

Do you think that they'll put a time limit on the BEE/AA racial discrimination? - never, because they know their kind would never be capable of competing on an even playing field.



BTW. it sounds like those verkrampte Afrikaners your refer to in your sig, will always be your boss, because of your total lack of self confidence and attempts to blame history for your failures.

 

[DreamKing]

You appear to have a serious inferiority complex, and / or just damn lazy and finding excuses for your lack of progress and achievement - keep living in the past and die poor, and lazy.

You're not alone, the ANC scumbags will forever blame apartheid, and they too will remain perpetual strugglers.

Do you think that they'll put a time limit on the BEE/AA racial discrimination? - never, because they know their kind would never be capable of competing on an even playing field.



BTW. it sounds like those verkrampte Afrikaners your refer to in your sig, will always be your boss, because of your total lack of self confidence and attempts to blame history for your failures.

fully agreed

I have no idea what those "previously disadvantaged" thinking of.

look at many asian counties, compare with those african countries. Who you are going to blame?
look at many asian people during apartheid, and compare with your " previously disadvantaged ". Who you are going to blame?

except yourself, I don't see who you can blame.

@capd, may be I have to stop here. The conversation to you is meaningless, you are the person of "entitlement". You never understand what is the meaning of hard working. So good luck.

 

[obs]

So why isn't the ANCYL protesting about the babies that died in those ANC governed hospitals ? 180 of them in one hospital this year alone I believe
Nah they couldn't have voted for the next 18 years anyway . . . . .

 

[Ricard]

Many have and do, the ones who have been afforded the western opportunity and upbringing to become westernized.



Not when Bantu edumacations and other Apartheid laws were around. And because of that historical fact it is harder to this day to get an education. And then because after education the business world is more in favour of whites, it harder to achieve as much as whites.



And this is where the problem is... Blacks were not allowed to work hard during Apartheid which meant that future generations would be affected... Something which your ilk would deny if they were born after 1990... These are the injustices that need to be addressed. Which your ilk too would deny.

It was not a law that said 'Blacks were not allowed to work' - Take a leaf from Mandela's book.. he worked hard, the 2nd in charge during the first heart transplant by Dr Chris Barnard was a black.

This is all tribal mindset - I vote for my leader, and my leader must GIVE ME what he promised. Its plain and simple... LAZYNESS.

Occam's Razor is a scientific rule that we would all do well to follow in our own lives. It goes something like this:

For a given set of observations or data, there is always an infinite number of possible explanations. But a problem should be stated in its basic and simplest terms. In other words, the simplest theory that fits the facts of a problem is the one that should be selected ... until it breaks down, and then the next simplest explanation is to be preferred.

The Simplest answer applies here... LAZY

 

[Ricard]

So why isn't the ANCYL protesting about the babies that died in those ANC governed hospitals ? 180 of them in one hospital this year alone I believe
Nah they couldn't have voted for the next 18 years anyway . . . . .

JuJu is too busy flirting with Semenya...

 

[R13...]

This morning I got to see what these "toilets" look like on eNews... And all I can say is EPIC FAIL on the DA's part. The "structures" they put up are makeshift & must get hot as hell on a mild summer's day (even in the WC). And then there are those that are just "toilets". If they intended for there to be covering they could at least have out the whole thing on a concrete slab. I mean even the ANC tenderpreuner know this basic rule. FAIL DA, FAIL!

 

[CorneN]

FAIL DA, FAIL!

Yep, epic fail. Freebies need to luxurious eh?

 

[R13...]

Yep, epic fail. Freebies need to luxurious eh?

In this case it would have better if they'd done nothing. I know the reasoning was there wasn't enough money to build complete structures. They should have instead built say a quarter of the structures and continued in the next budget period. Bad planning & project management all round.

As a side note I voted DA & am therefore well within my rights to criticise them for this epic fail.

 

[Fudzy]

I'll admit that I don't know. Could be interesting though, so you're welcome to post some numbers.

Wow, looks like the people of Khayelitsha made the bed they sleep in (or toilet they sit on in this case), you can check www.elections.gov.za, if you compare Khayelitsha to the City of Cape Town the results are almost oppisites of each other in terms of the parties with the most votes.

 

[R13...]

Wow, looks like the people of Khayelitsha made the bed they sleep in (or toilet they sit on in this case), you can check www.elections.gov.za, if you compare Khayelitsha to the City of Cape Town the results are almost oppisites of each other in terms of the parties with the most votes.

But that's unsurprising because SA still votes mainly along racial lines. The coloured vote went to the DA because coloureds feel marginalised (or shifted down the pecking order) by the ANC government. They used to be higher up the ladder in the apartheid classification. It's bizarre as they should be better off now that they even get job preferences but...

 

[Jola]

This is all tribal mindset - I vote for my leader, and my leader must GIVE ME what he promised. Its plain and simple... LAZYNESS.

You say that, but they still vote for the ANC, even when they don't get what they were promised !

 

[capd]

You appear to have a serious inferiority complex, and / or just damn lazy and finding excuses for your lack of progress and achievement - keep living in the past and die poor, and lazy.

First you admit that whites have more advantages and opportunity in job/career achievement, and now you claim that Blacks who want to be Westernized to achieve similarly aren't some how affected by whites' advantages which you admitted? And now these Blacks wanting to be westernized must have an inferiority complex, are lazy and are finding excuses for lack of progress and achievement?

Marvelous. While I will not disagree that there are some Blacks who do feel like that, I find it impossible how you can disagree that Blacks wanting to be westernized and achieve more are not racially discriminated against due to a fact you admitted.

You're not alone, the ANC scumbags will forever blame apartheid, and they too will remain perpetual strugglers.

I know you have a big grudge with the ANC. But no matter who's in power, blacks would still discriminated against due to what you admitted, history, and the fact that whites own most business. Who's in power will not change the prejudiced mindset a lot of whites have.

Do you think that they'll put a time limit on the BEE/AA racial discrimination? - never, because they know their kind would never be capable of competing on an even playing field.

This is inherently racist. Their kind are able to and would be able to compete more once the playing field is rebalanced which is what AA/BEE sets out to do, justifiably so.

BTW. it sounds like those verkrampte Afrikaners your refer to in your sig, will always be your boss, because of your total lack of self confidence and attempts to blame history for your failures.

BTW I am white so no, you are wrong there.

 

[capd]

fully agreed

I have no idea what those "previously disadvantaged" thinking of.

look at many asian counties, compare with those african countries. Who you are going to blame?
look at many asian people during apartheid, and compare with your " previously disadvantaged ". Who you are going to blame?

except yourself, I don't see who you can blame.

@capd, may be I have to stop here. The conversation to you is meaningless, you are the person of "entitlement". You never understand what is the meaning of hard working. So good luck.

Only an ignorant bigot would make these sorts of comparisons.

Hard working is one issue, the bigger issue though is when you already know your colour generally destines you to achieve less.

 

[Voltorr]

Yeah no, i do understand that. As much as I'd like it to be different I do know and accept it is not possible. But I do not think being given concrete enclosures or at least ones of better strength and resistance to weather is communistic.

If i decided to setup a house on the side of the street next to your house, would it be the government's responsibility to provide me with a toilet? I'm just one so they will probably kick me out, but lets say thousands of us decide to live in a park..... then it becomes more tricky because a larger portion of the population want toilets and perhaps they should be provided?

But at the end of the day we only have so much money and this amount of money could either produce 100 toilets or 10 toilets with walls, a decision was made with their input...... and now they change their minds?

You made your bed now sleep in it.