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A lefty resorting to insults because their ideology is notoriously light on facts and evidence. Yawn. And "scientific", doesn't mean what you think it means.
http://m.sowetanlive.co.za/?articleId=12376348§ionId=32
This guy is basically claiming everybody is a racist, police, doctor, lawyer & he lies and contradicts himself the whole time. Neither the court nor the sahrc bought his bs.
OrbitalDawn
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The politician he spoke to was probably Tony Ehrenreich.
LazyLion
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UFS MULLING DAMAGES CLAIM
The University of the Free State (UFS) and its Rector Prof Jonathan Jansen are engaging with lawyers on a R1 million damages claim from two former students, it said on Friday.
"Prof Jansen and the senior leadership of the UFS are in discussion with the university's legal representatives, who advised that the matter not be discussed in public at this time," spokeswoman Lacea Loader said in a statement.
The UFS acknowledged a letter of demand from former students Cobus Muller and Charl Blom, who want compensation of R500,000 each after apparently being excluded from campus.
They are claiming the money from Jansen and the UFS for damages including wasted expenses, delayed access to the labour market, and impairment of their dignity and reputation.
Last year, the Bloemfontein Regional Court found them not guilty of an attack on fellow student Muzi Gwebu on the UFS's Bloemfontein campus.
Muller had faced charges of reckless driving, crimen injuria, attempted murder and assault, while Blom had faced a charge of assault. Both pleaded not guilty to all charges.
AfriForum Youth chairman Henk Maree said on Thursday: "Muller and Blom were barred from campus without procedure or trial and never given an opportunity to state their case.
"During this time they were publicly labelled as criminals. They could not continue their post-graduate studies or attend their graduation ceremony."
The UFS did not respond when asked which university policy or procedures were applied when the pair were allegedly excluded from campus.
Maree said: "The future of two students cannot be the price for political gain. Because of this, it's with the greatest gravity that AfriForum Youth will support Muller and Blom."
Source : Sapa /mjs/jk/cls/lp
Date : 06 Mar 2015 11:48
The University of the Free State (UFS) and its Rector Prof Jonathan Jansen are engaging with lawyers on a R1 million damages claim from two former students, it said on Friday.
"Prof Jansen and the senior leadership of the UFS are in discussion with the university's legal representatives, who advised that the matter not be discussed in public at this time," spokeswoman Lacea Loader said in a statement.
The UFS acknowledged a letter of demand from former students Cobus Muller and Charl Blom, who want compensation of R500,000 each after apparently being excluded from campus.
They are claiming the money from Jansen and the UFS for damages including wasted expenses, delayed access to the labour market, and impairment of their dignity and reputation.
Last year, the Bloemfontein Regional Court found them not guilty of an attack on fellow student Muzi Gwebu on the UFS's Bloemfontein campus.
Muller had faced charges of reckless driving, crimen injuria, attempted murder and assault, while Blom had faced a charge of assault. Both pleaded not guilty to all charges.
AfriForum Youth chairman Henk Maree said on Thursday: "Muller and Blom were barred from campus without procedure or trial and never given an opportunity to state their case.
"During this time they were publicly labelled as criminals. They could not continue their post-graduate studies or attend their graduation ceremony."
The UFS did not respond when asked which university policy or procedures were applied when the pair were allegedly excluded from campus.
Maree said: "The future of two students cannot be the price for political gain. Because of this, it's with the greatest gravity that AfriForum Youth will support Muller and Blom."
Source : Sapa /mjs/jk/cls/lp
Date : 06 Mar 2015 11:48
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Thanks, guess it was an easy one for the defense to go for.
Criminal and Civil (disciplinary) proceedings are two separate processes that don't have to wait for one to be completed before another occurs. For instance, OP killed Reeva and was charged with murder, and at the same time the family was seeking compensation in civil proceedings. The fact that OP was found not guilty in criminal proceedings doesn't mean he wont' be found "guilty" in civil proceedings and liable for damages. The univiersity was right to suspend them, but they should have went a step further by instituting a disciplinary hearing. The reason they are in such a mess is not because they suspended them, but it's because they unfairly suspended without any intention to discipline. This is a huge difference.
Not necessarily. The disciplinary hearing could have been delayed because it might clash with the criminal case in terms of dates and appearances. But the university can still institute a disciplinary hearing even at this moment, unless the students are no longer willing to subject themselves to it.
Only if they instituted a disciplinary hearing then this would not be happening.
Grasmuis
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Student wou geld hê in ruil vir stilte, skryf Jansen
Die Kovsie-student Muzi Gwebu wat twee van sy medestudente, Charl Blom en Cobus Muller, van rassisme en aanranding beskuldig het, het geld by prof. Jonathan Jansen gesoek om oor die beweerde voorval stil te bly.
Só skryf die rektor van die Universiteit van die Vrystaat (UV), prof. Jonathan Jansen, in sy nuwe boek, Leading for Change; Race, intimacy and leadership on divided university campuses, wat onlangs uitgereik is.
Verder skryf Jansen hy het Gwebu se saak van hul eerste ontmoeting af betwyfel, maar weens die bewyse tot sy beskikking “moes ek hom soos ’n slagoffer behandel”.
Gwebu wou by navraag nie kommentoor lewer oor dít wat Jansen oor hom geskryf het nie.
“Dit gaan nie bou of enige waarde tot my lewe toevoeg (deur kommentaar te lewer) nie,” het hy Maandag aan Volksblad gesê.
Gwebu studeer nie meer aan die UV nie.
Hy het aan Jansen skrikwekkende stories van sy grootwordjare vertel, soos wit mense wat hom in water gegooi het waarin krokodille was.
Die wit mense het volgens Gwebu gelag terwyl hy probeer vlug het, skryf die rektor in sy boek.
Volgens Jansen het Gwebu geld gesoek om stil te bly en nie die universiteit in die verleentheid te stel nie. Jansen het hom egter nooit betaal om stil te bly nie.
Hy skryf nadat hy vir Gwebu kos gebring en selfs gereël het dat ’n dokter hom ondersoek, het die student ’n opgemaakte storie aan The Star vertel dat druk op hom gesit is om nie met die media te praat nie en die UV se doel is om hom met sy aanvallers te versoen.
Hierna het die rektor Gwebu se versoeke om hom te spreek van die hand gewys. Die student het volgens Jansen hom deur Facebook en e-posse aangeval. Hy het onder meer oor hom gesê: “Jy is my projek” en “ek gaan nie rus totdat ek jou kry nie”.
“In die stadium het ek besef die man is moontlik versteurd . . .” skryf Jansen.
Gwebu en Muller en Blom was in Februarie 2014 in ’n sogenaamde “rasvoorval” betrokke. Blom en Muller is in September verlede jaar in die Bloemfonteinse streekhof vrygespreek op ’n aanklag dat hulle Gwebu aangerand het.
Muller is ook vrygespreek op aanklagte van roekelose en nalatige bestuur, dat hy Gwebu probeer doodry het en dat hy hom die k-woord toegesnou het.
Muller en Blom, wat intussen hul studie aan die UV gestaak het, is hangende die hofsaak geskors. Hul skorsing is later opgehef.
Die twee oudstudente eis nou weens hul skorsing skadevergoeding van R5,15 miljoen van die UV, Jansen en prof. Teuns Verschoor, as tugbeampte.
Muller en Blom eis boonop van Jansen en die UV elk R500 000 weens laster voortspruitend uit bewerings wat Jansen in twee e-posse op 20 Februarie verlede jaar aan al die studente van die UV gestuur het. Die boek verwys nie na dié onafgehandelde eise nie.
Die Kovsie-student Muzi Gwebu wat twee van sy medestudente, Charl Blom en Cobus Muller, van rassisme en aanranding beskuldig het, het geld by prof. Jonathan Jansen gesoek om oor die beweerde voorval stil te bly.
Só skryf die rektor van die Universiteit van die Vrystaat (UV), prof. Jonathan Jansen, in sy nuwe boek, Leading for Change; Race, intimacy and leadership on divided university campuses, wat onlangs uitgereik is.
Verder skryf Jansen hy het Gwebu se saak van hul eerste ontmoeting af betwyfel, maar weens die bewyse tot sy beskikking “moes ek hom soos ’n slagoffer behandel”.
Gwebu wou by navraag nie kommentoor lewer oor dít wat Jansen oor hom geskryf het nie.
“Dit gaan nie bou of enige waarde tot my lewe toevoeg (deur kommentaar te lewer) nie,” het hy Maandag aan Volksblad gesê.
Gwebu studeer nie meer aan die UV nie.
Hy het aan Jansen skrikwekkende stories van sy grootwordjare vertel, soos wit mense wat hom in water gegooi het waarin krokodille was.
Die wit mense het volgens Gwebu gelag terwyl hy probeer vlug het, skryf die rektor in sy boek.
Volgens Jansen het Gwebu geld gesoek om stil te bly en nie die universiteit in die verleentheid te stel nie. Jansen het hom egter nooit betaal om stil te bly nie.
Hy skryf nadat hy vir Gwebu kos gebring en selfs gereël het dat ’n dokter hom ondersoek, het die student ’n opgemaakte storie aan The Star vertel dat druk op hom gesit is om nie met die media te praat nie en die UV se doel is om hom met sy aanvallers te versoen.
Hierna het die rektor Gwebu se versoeke om hom te spreek van die hand gewys. Die student het volgens Jansen hom deur Facebook en e-posse aangeval. Hy het onder meer oor hom gesê: “Jy is my projek” en “ek gaan nie rus totdat ek jou kry nie”.
“In die stadium het ek besef die man is moontlik versteurd . . .” skryf Jansen.
Gwebu en Muller en Blom was in Februarie 2014 in ’n sogenaamde “rasvoorval” betrokke. Blom en Muller is in September verlede jaar in die Bloemfonteinse streekhof vrygespreek op ’n aanklag dat hulle Gwebu aangerand het.
Muller is ook vrygespreek op aanklagte van roekelose en nalatige bestuur, dat hy Gwebu probeer doodry het en dat hy hom die k-woord toegesnou het.
Muller en Blom, wat intussen hul studie aan die UV gestaak het, is hangende die hofsaak geskors. Hul skorsing is later opgehef.
Die twee oudstudente eis nou weens hul skorsing skadevergoeding van R5,15 miljoen van die UV, Jansen en prof. Teuns Verschoor, as tugbeampte.
Muller en Blom eis boonop van Jansen en die UV elk R500 000 weens laster voortspruitend uit bewerings wat Jansen in twee e-posse op 20 Februarie verlede jaar aan al die studente van die UV gestuur het. Die boek verwys nie na dié onafgehandelde eise nie.
Grasmuis
Senior Member
Google translate - The Kovsie student Muzi Gwebu that two of his fellow students, Charl Blom and Cobus Muller, of racism and assault accused, the money from Prof. Jonathan Jansen wanted to keep quiet about the incident.
So writes the rector of the University of the Free State (UFS), Prof. Jonathan Jansen, in his new book, Leading for Change; Race, intimacy and leadership on university campuses Divided, which was recently released.
Further write Jansen he Gwebu's case their first meeting since doubted, but because the evidence at its disposal "I had him as a victim treated".
Gwebu wanted to query kommentoor deliver what Jansen about him written.
"It will not build or any add value to my life (by commenting) not," he said Monday on Wednesday.
Gwebu studying more to the UFS.
He told Jansen frightening stories of growing up as white people who threw him into the water where crocodiles.
The whites claimed Gwebu laughed as he tried to flee, the rector write in his book.
According to Jansen Gwebu wanted money to keep quiet and not to put the university in an embarrassing situation. Jansen had never paid him to keep quiet.
He wrote after he brought Gwebu food and even arranged for a doctor to examine him, the student an invented story to The Star says that pressure on him out to talk to the media and the university's goal is to reconcile with his attackers.
After this show, the rector Gwebu's requests to speak to him of the hand. The student, according to Jansen attacked him through Facebook and e-mails. He said among other things for him: "You are my project" and "I will not rest until I get you."
"At this stage I realized the man was possibly ill. . . "Wrote Jansen.
Gwebu and Muller and Blom was in February 2014 in a so-called "rasvoorval" involved. Flower and Muller in September last year acquitted in the Bloemfontein Regional Court on charges that they assaulted Gwebu.
Muller was also acquitted on charges of reckless and negligent driving, he tried Gwebu doodry and that he used the k-word snarled.
Muller and Flower, who has since discontinued their studies at the university, pending the trial suspended. Their suspension was later lifted.
The two former students are now calling for their expulsion damages of R5,15 million from the university, Jansen and Prof.. Teuns Verschoor, as disciplinary official.
Muller and Flower claim also Jansen and UV each R500 000 for defamation arising from allegations Jansen in two e-mails on February 20 last year, sent to all the students of the university. The book refers to these outstanding claims.
So writes the rector of the University of the Free State (UFS), Prof. Jonathan Jansen, in his new book, Leading for Change; Race, intimacy and leadership on university campuses Divided, which was recently released.
Further write Jansen he Gwebu's case their first meeting since doubted, but because the evidence at its disposal "I had him as a victim treated".
Gwebu wanted to query kommentoor deliver what Jansen about him written.
"It will not build or any add value to my life (by commenting) not," he said Monday on Wednesday.
Gwebu studying more to the UFS.
He told Jansen frightening stories of growing up as white people who threw him into the water where crocodiles.
The whites claimed Gwebu laughed as he tried to flee, the rector write in his book.
According to Jansen Gwebu wanted money to keep quiet and not to put the university in an embarrassing situation. Jansen had never paid him to keep quiet.
He wrote after he brought Gwebu food and even arranged for a doctor to examine him, the student an invented story to The Star says that pressure on him out to talk to the media and the university's goal is to reconcile with his attackers.
After this show, the rector Gwebu's requests to speak to him of the hand. The student, according to Jansen attacked him through Facebook and e-mails. He said among other things for him: "You are my project" and "I will not rest until I get you."
"At this stage I realized the man was possibly ill. . . "Wrote Jansen.
Gwebu and Muller and Blom was in February 2014 in a so-called "rasvoorval" involved. Flower and Muller in September last year acquitted in the Bloemfontein Regional Court on charges that they assaulted Gwebu.
Muller was also acquitted on charges of reckless and negligent driving, he tried Gwebu doodry and that he used the k-word snarled.
Muller and Flower, who has since discontinued their studies at the university, pending the trial suspended. Their suspension was later lifted.
The two former students are now calling for their expulsion damages of R5,15 million from the university, Jansen and Prof.. Teuns Verschoor, as disciplinary official.
Muller and Flower claim also Jansen and UV each R500 000 for defamation arising from allegations Jansen in two e-mails on February 20 last year, sent to all the students of the university. The book refers to these outstanding claims.