Another race attack at top university

[Drunkard #1]

Then you've expressed it really badly - go back and read over the thread and you'll realise that all you've done is paint yourself as a racist - nothing more, nothing less.

It's 2014 by the way, not 1914.

If I have painted myself as a racist then I have expressed myself perfectly clearly.

Then you need to work on your communication because it reads very much like you speaking on behalf of white people. At no point did you say it was your opinion, or that it was just soem of the white people that you had met. Instead you simply stated that white people want to live with people of the same race.

My communications and your reading skills. I don't need to precede everything I say with "in my opinion", it should be obvious to any reasonable person what is opinion an what is cold hard fact. I tend to think that my communication is just fine, since I repeated myself several times, but some people remained obsessed with misinterpreting my posts.

Being a racist seems like a pretty bad thing to me. Negative feelings towards someone simply because of the melanin content of his/her skin is pretty darn irrational.

Not as bad is pretending everyone's equal for the sake of political correctness. The first step in solving a problem is admitting that there is one. Problem: About 40% of SA school kids have IQs below 70-odd (retard level)(go ahead, ask me for proof). Problem: Our education system is failing. Problem: those kids with IQs in a more normal range (by western standards) are being denied a quality education because government insists that everyone is equal, and lowers standards in order to pass idiots.

Isn't admitting that there is a problem the better option here, or would you rather continue on the current path?

Agreed it is just as irrational as being a homophobe and religiousphobe.

Agreed. I don't think I hate anyone but if I were going to I'd like to think I'd do it on an individual basis for rational reasons (the guy raped my daughter or something). Hating an entire group simply because they are black or Buddhist or bisexual or something is indefensible.

It's not irrational if there are stats backing up our assertions. It's rational and defensible.

 

[RanzB]

This is hysterical. What makes me lol the most is someone worried about others being borderline retarded yet doesn't seem to have an IQ north of 70 themselves

Anyway, off to the Stadium... Go Sharks!*

(*Even though I didn't precede this with 'in my opinion', this is an opinion and not a cold hard fact, but also manages to be a stat. Somehow. Science, amirite?.)

 

[Drunkard #1]

Everything is mixed up. Multiquote isn't on my side.

Dude, why don't you just emigrate to a country where European culture is dominant? You know it's not going to happen in South Africa soon, so ranting, raving and spewing will not help you at all.

Family and friends, mostly, but also a worthless passport and currency.

The Bell Curve was pretty widely criticized and discredited for being published in white supremacy literature.

But despite that there is an inherent cultural bias in intelligence tests (WAIS and the like). Linguistic and environmental barriers mean that the candidate may not have experienced a phenomenon (like asking someone in S.A to describe or label snow), so you can never have an actual measurement of IQ until a test is acclimatized to different circumstances.

Just an example: the current version of WAIS requires blocks be formed into the shape of a sail ship; but it may be easier for an individual who recognizes the image to recreate it rather than someone who just see's it as a random shape.



You need to redo these (or a better) course then. Your totally ignoring principles of reliability, validity, and multiple confounding variables:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability_(psychometrics)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Validity_(statistics)
http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confounding

Certain aspects of The Bell Curve are disputed, but it isn't discredited, no matter where it's published.

As for cultural bias, poverty cycles and any other lefty liberal theories, there are two problems: 1. I don't believe a word of it. These are theories dreamed up by people trying to further their own political and ideological agenda, ie, biased people, and 2. How do these theories solve the problems on the ground right now? How does knowing about cultural bias make poor performers obtain better outcomes now. Sure, in a generation or two, with costly and time consuming interventions, we might see some improvement, but that doesn't do anything for the very real differences we encounter now.

Regarding my stats, which part of "find some better ones" was unclear. I know mine are biased and unreliable, but they're all I've got (and with lefty liberals calling for a ban on all race research, they might be all we're going to get.)

 

[Drunkard #1]

This is hysterical. What makes me lol the most is someone worried about others being borderline retarded yet doesn't seem to have an IQ north of 70 themselves

Anyway, off to the Stadium... Go Sharks!*

(*Even though I didn't precede this with 'in my opinion', this is an opinion and not a cold hard fact, but also manages to be a stat. Somehow. Science, amirite?.)

Believe what ever you want, if it helps you sleep better at night. For what it's worth, I tend to look at left liberals the same way - ****ing thick, delusional and irrational.

 

[buyeye]

You still here...go figure

Yes.Clearly. Try not to be..like me

:erm:

 

[porchrat]

Not as bad is pretending everyone's equal for the sake of political correctness. The first step in solving a problem is admitting that there is one. Problem: About 40% of SA school kids have IQs below 70-odd (retard level)(go ahead, ask me for proof). Problem: Our education system is failing. Problem: those kids with IQs in a more normal range (by western standards) are being denied a quality education because government insists that everyone is equal, and lowers standards in order to pass idiots.

Isn't admitting that there is a problem the better option here, or would you rather continue on the current path?

IQ scores aren't race.

It's not irrational if there are stats backing up our assertions. It's rational and defensible.

What assertions?

Talk of IQ scores... wait... are you implying that all black people are stupid?... go ahead and say it. See how long you last on this forum you racist buffoon.

 

[Celine]

another f'ing argument on the forum because of a twit who wants to live on an island instead of living with people harmoniously. and every one here falls for this and doesn't ignore the ignorant.

 

[Fudzy]

To mike and co, you do realise you represent exactly the type of white people the ANC uses in it's campaigns. The type of people who would rather become the scape goats of the political party they despise than contribute towards trying to benefit the country as a whole ala DJ...

 

[mike6870]

To mike and co, you do realise you represent exactly the type of white people the ANC uses in it's campaigns. The type of people who would rather become the scape goats of the political party they despise than contribute towards trying to benefit the country as a whole ala DJ...

I contribute to this country greatly. I train & have trained hundreds of previously disdvantaged folks under the banner of the government, do plenty charity & get along with anyone who deserves it. Perhaps you should reread my posts-no rascism there my esteemed friend. Not everyone who has an opposing view to yours should be shouted down with insults. No wonder debate is stifled in SA with the likes of Randhir & DJ occupying the supposed moral high ground. Raise the level of debate to get your point across chaps, don't pull the race/insults/shnarky card. Geddit ?

 

[Necuno]

another f'ing argument on the forum because of a twit who wants to live on an island instead of living with people harmoniously. and every one here falls for this and doesn't ignore the ignorant.

Like being ignorant of grammar and capitalization?

 

[Fudzy]

I contribute to this country greatly. I train & have trained hundreds of previously disdvantaged folks under the banner of the government, do plenty charity & get along with anyone who deserves it. Perhaps you should reread my posts-no rascism there my esteemed friend. Not everyone who has an opposing view to yours should be shouted down with insults. No wonder debate is stifled in SA with the likes of Randhir & DJ occupying the supposed moral high ground. Raise the level of debate to get your point across chaps, don't pull the race/insults/shnarky card. Geddit ?

Where did I mention racism?

 

[DJ...]

I contribute to this country greatly. I train & have trained hundreds of previously disdvantaged folks under the banner of the government, do plenty charity & get along with anyone who deserves it. Perhaps you should reread my posts-no rascism there my esteemed friend. Not everyone who has an opposing view to yours should be shouted down with insults. No wonder debate is stifled in SA with the likes of Randhir & DJ occupying the supposed moral high ground. Raise the level of debate to get your point across chaps, don't pull the race/insults/shnarky card. Geddit ?

You have now claimed that I am a racist. Please back up this statement, or are you just like Drunkard who makes claims without being able to substantiate them?

 

[battletoad]

there are two problems: 1. I don't believe a word of it. These are theories dreamed up by people trying to further their own political and ideological agenda, ie, biased people
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Regarding my stats, which part of "find some better ones" was unclear. I know mine are biased and unreliable, but they're all I've got

So, you know biased stats are a problem and you correctly conclude they don't represent reality. Yet, you use your own biased stats in your argument because... you know what, forget it. Your hypocrisy is blinding.

 

[Drunkard #1]

IQ scores aren't race.



What assertions?

Talk of IQ scores... wait... are you implying that all black people are stupid?... go ahead and say it. See how long you last on this forum you racist buffoon.

The average IQ of black South Africans is significantly lower than the international average. There, I said it, now what?

another f'ing argument on the forum because of a twit who wants to live on an island instead of living with people harmoniously. and every one here falls for this and doesn't ignore the ignorant.

You seem to be the ignorant twit, ignoring the daily news in the papers, on TV and even in this very forum section.

To mike and co, you do realise you represent exactly the type of white people the ANC uses in it's campaigns. The type of people who would rather become the scape goats of the political party they despise than contribute towards trying to benefit the country as a whole ala DJ...

Great solution. Let me just stick my head up my arse so that I can't see what's going on around me. Wouldn't want to oppose the ruling party, now would we.

You have now claimed that I am a racist. Please back up this statement, or are you just like Drunkard who makes claims without being able to substantiate them?

Look who's back from the kindergarten playground, still unable to diferentiate between fact and opinion. You still haven't substantiated any of the claims you made, and your silence when actual facts are presented is deafening.

So, you know biased stats are a problem and you correctly conclude they don't represent reality. Yet, you use your own biased stats in your argument because... you know what, forget it. Your hypocrisy is blinding.

Yes, I do favour evidence that I've seen myself over unproven theories proposed by some foreigner with a cherry picked sample which doesn't represent the local population.

 

[Fudzy]

The average IQ of black South Africans is significantly lower than the international average.

Have you got proof that the average IQ of a white South African isn't lower than the international average?

Great solution. Let me just stick my head up my arse so that I can't see what's going on around me. Wouldn't want to oppose the ruling party, now would we.

It's funny because the comment went straight over your head.

 

[Drunkard #1]

Have you got proof that the average IQ of a white South African isn't lower than the international average?

It is, in fact. But still within the range required to function within a modern technologically advanced democracy, unlike the black average.

It's funny because the comment went straight over your head.

Then in the spirit of this thread, I blame your poor communication skills.

 

[Fudzy]

It is, in fact. But still within the range required to function within a modern technologically advanced democracy, unlike the black average.

Source?

Then in the spirit of this thread, I blame your poor communication skills.

Given your track record I think it's your comprehension skills.

 

[Drunkard #1]

Source?

Source. You'll need to find the actual studies (Owen, 1992; Lynn Holmshaw, 1990; Notcutt, 1950; Fick, 1929) The results used by Lynn and Vanhanen have been revised - The numbers changed slightly, but they're still in the same general region.

The exact number that a nations average IQ needs to be is still being debated. Estimates range from 90 to 98. Also, the definition of "function" is not fixed, and there's the "smart fraction" theory which is still being explored.

Given your track record I think it's your comprehension skills.

That's just too bad.

 

[Fudzy]

Thanks, I wonder why SA is the only country on the list to be separated into races?

 

[Fudzy]

Ha ha, trying to get to the source of the data and I get blocked:

Reason:
Not allowed to browse Militancy/Hate and Extremism category