Antenna installation and alignment

[Azimuth]

It's becoming a real issue that Cell_ID is no longer showing up in the newer B593 dashboard software. It's a pity we don't have a Huawei rep on here that could expedite a request to put it back.

From what I've seen, Huawei are really bad at supporting their products.

 

[jcheek]

How do I "force" it - switch it off, disconnect antenna inputs and reconnect once antenna turned?

That'll work for sure, but it takes a while. On the Huawei B593s-601, I use this method :

1. Go to Internet / Network Connection / Connection Mode; select "Manual" and click "Submit (usually it's set to "Always On".
2. When the page refreshes, you'll see a "Disconnect" button you didn't have before. Click it.
3. Status should now show as "Disconnected".
4. Click "Connect" when desired to re-initiate a connection.

 

[jcheek]

'Hopefully', as modem remember the last successful connection and will try to register to the same tower on restart. Then after few seconds of background search it will send request for handover.

Maybe it does, or maybe it starts from scratch looking for the best signal. I'm not sure any of us knows for sure.

 

[GreGorGy]

It's becoming a real issue that Cell_ID is no longer showing up in the newer B593 dashboard software. It's a pity we don't have a Huawei rep on here that could expedite a request to put it back.

From what I've seen, Huawei are really bad at supporting their products.

Does MDMA not read this device? I see it is router and therefore likely does NOT have a USB connector (other than for a printer, ie in the wrong direction)

 

[sajunky]

That'll work for sure, but it takes a while. On the Huawei B593s-601, I use this method :

I disagree. It will only deactivate data connection. It remains registered to the same tower (unless other conditions force re-registration).

 

[sajunky]

Maybe it does, or maybe it starts from scratch looking for the best signal. I'm not sure any of us knows for sure.

It doesn't - for sure. This behaviour had been observed on Cell_C 3G connection, a reason of modems getting stuck to the tower which doesn't give any throughput, but allows registration (usually Vodacom tower with strong signal).

 

[jcheek]

I disagree. It will only deactivate data connection. It remains registered to the same tower (unless other conditions force re-registration).

Unless you've got some B593-specific evidence that proves otherwise, both yours and my opinions are all supposition, I fear.
A technical reference from Huawei would be of great help, but knowing Cell_ID would be the clincher.

 

[sajunky]

Unless you've got some B593-specific evidence that proves otherwise, both yours and my opinions are all supposition, I fear.

It is based on 2G/3G network registration procedure (which is at different network layer - radio link if not mistaken) and general (observed) behaviour of any 2G/3G device. Disconnecting deactivates PDP content at higher network layer, it doesn't affect registration. Period. There is no reason to expect anything different for LTE.

So, if you have different opinion, onus is on you to prove it.

 

[jcheek]

So, if you have different opinion, onus is on you to prove it.

No argument there. I'll consider any viewpoint that appears to be founded in verifiable fact or proven by actual test.
I tend to pay more attention to the results of actual tests.

On the Huawei B593s-601, I use this method : ...

Notice that I didn't make an outright claim that it works, I just stated how I currently do it. Anyone is free to employ this method, a full reboot, a disconnection, or any other procedure they think will give certainty.

 

[sajunky]

Do you have this on this device?

 

[jcheek]

Going slightly OT here - this should really be in the B593 thread, but anyway ...

Do you have this on this device?
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For sure - on the B593 it's on the same screen as Connect/Disconnect. The option for Manual/Auto network selection appears when you break the existing connection.



Forcing a network search may force a re-registration, as may doing a soft reboot of the whole router.
Choose your weapon.

 

[sajunky]

Forcing a network search may force a re-registration, as may doing a soft reboot of the whole router.
Choose your weapon.

Nope. Soft reboot or even power off/on will force re-registration, but after reboot router will look first at the last connected tower as described in one of my previous post. Forcing manual network selection cause starting from scratch. Why do you argue on the obvious things which had been tested many times in the past? Try it, you will see. Ooops, You can't even see Cell_ID!

 

[jcheek]

Nope. Soft reboot or even power off/on will force re-registration, but after reboot router will look first at the last connected tower as described in one of my previous post. Forcing manual network selection cause starting from scratch. Why do you argue on the obvious things which had been tested many times in the past? Try it, you will see. Ooops, You can't even see Cell_ID!

I'm not arguing, dude - one can't argue this point constructively without facts or test results. If you have either of those, please share them with us. A video clip for an LTE device that does actually report Cell_ID would be great.

 

[sajunky]

I'm not arguing, dude - one can't argue this point constructively without facts or test results. If you have either of those, please share them with us. A video clip for an LTE device that does actually report Cell_ID would be great.

Video clip can be misleading. Besides, you don't trust my word, why I would bother with video clip, I don't care if you believe or not. Due to persistent Cell C problems people did share a lot in the past, some solutions were working better than other, just read dude and learn... Search this forum on the subject "full signal, no throughput", "stuck on EDGE, unable to ...."

 

[Teejaybee]

Video clip can be misleading. Besides, you don't trust my word, why I would bother with video clip, I don't care if you believe or not. Due to persistent Cell C problems people did share a lot in the past, some solutions were working better than other, just read dude and learn... Search this forum on the subject "full signal, no throughput", "stuck on EDGE, unable to ...."

@ sajunky....so just to recap - what do you say one should do to force the Huawei B593 router to search for the new tower after I change antenna direction to new tower?

 

[Teejaybee]

TJB, please go ahead and edit your post with pics like you wanted. Just quote this post and copy-paste the img links into your post.

Thanks Azimuth - I edited my post. you may want to edit your post to me and delete the pic's in your post just to tidy the thread up as these pic's are now "flooded" all over this thread.

 

[Azimuth]

Thanks, I've done so.

 

[sajunky]

@ sajunky....so just to recap - what do you say one should do to force the Huawei B593 router to search for the new tower after I change antenna direction to new tower?

I wrote a correction to the post claiming that manual disconnection and reconnection would force re-registration to a different tower (because it doesn't) and provided a tip how to do it correctly.

However I don't think it is going to help in your case. You have strong signal from the close tower and a hudge interference from unknown source. Your difference between RSSI and RSRP is between 26 and 29dB, no matter which antenna is used. In such case I think it will always force to re-register to the tower with overhealming strong signal, no matter how you orient antenna. So I think forget hunting for the fastest peak transfer rates (just to amuse others) and refocus on stability of the connection, so you can always have instant network response (latency, ping). You also need alternative feed, in case of LOS tower failure or overloaded condition. If overloaded, tower will instruct your device to find another tower, giving channel number to look for.

So in other words, once you invested in expensive antennas, position indiviual antennas to a different tower, both in basic vertical aligmnent for good and proven receive diversity.

It could be also substandard device. If you can test it in different location on a goood (proven) installation, or try to borrow another device and see how it works.

 

[Azimuth]

In such case I think it will always force to re-register to the tower with overhealming strong signal, no matter how you orient antenna.

Since he's using a highly directional antenna it won't work like that. With an omni, yes.

So I think forget hunting for the fastest peak transfer rates (just to amuse others) and refocus on stability of the connection, so you can always have instant network response (latency, ping).

By that analogy the other thread where people are upgrading to 20Mbps ADSL should rather just stay on 4 or 10Mbps?

You also need alternative feed, in case of LOS tower failure or overloaded condition. If overloaded, tower will instruct your device to find another tower, giving channel number to look for.

So in other words, once you invested in expensive antennas, position indiviual antennas to a different tower, both in basic vertical aligmnent for good and proven receive diversity.

The internal omni can be used for that, the antenna must just be forced to internal again.

It could be also substandard device. If you can test it in different location on a goood (proven) installation, or try to borrow another device and see how it works.

This could be true I suppose. It'll be interesting to know.


I think we've already established that his LTE source isn't optimal and is limiting his experience. What can be done for immediate relief, I don't know. While a schlep, it would be nice if he could test that 100Mbps cell tower with clear LOS, just to establish some facts.

 

[jcheek]

... what do you say one should do to force the Huawei B593 router to search for the new tower after I change antenna direction to new tower?

@TJB, referring back to this post, if you wanted to be obstinate and try sajunky's procedure anyway, this would be the recipe, I think :

Assuming you've already made your antenna adjustment (the swing from one tower to another) ...

1. Go to Internet / Network Connection / Connection Mode; select "Manual" and click "Submit (usually it's set to "Always On".

2. When the page refreshes, you'll see a "Disconnect" button you didn't have before. Click it.



3. Status should now show as "Disconnected".

4. Now you should also see an option for "Network selection". Change from Auto to Manual, which should give you a drop-down box, under which are "Search" and "Register" buttons.

5. Click "Search" and wait. Hopefully you get a list of available 4G services other than the one you were registered on (ie 8ta(4G)).



6. Select a 4G network other than the one you were registered on and Click "Register". It'll fail because you don't have a SIM provisioned for that network, but hopefully it clears any memory of the last-connected tower which the router might have retained.

7. Click "Search" again, re-select your home network provider (8ta) and click "Register".


At Step 5, if you only see your "home" 4G network, you could also try setting the network mode (up top) to 3G (or 2G), searching again and attempting to register for 3G/2G on a non-home network (Vodacom, MTN etc) before changing back.

Unfortunately there's still no way of confirming whether or not this is any more effective than the other procedures, but maybe give it a try and see how you do.