Apple and Nokia settle patent dispute

Shouldn't it read: "Apple settled ... with Nokia"? My understanding is that Apple settled and will pay Nokia.
 
Oh I like this. Even if it is just because Apple has to bow to a wilting mobile giant. Who's your daddy now?

Interesting that the more desperate companies become, the more pissing contests pop up.
 
These IP wars between the big players are not as problematic as those started by patent trolls who cannot put their patents into production of any kind but then use them to get rich by extortion.
 
BeVonk! said:
These IP wars between the big players are not as problematic as those started by patent trolls who cannot put their patents into production of any kind but then use them to get rich by extortion.
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Couldn't agree with you more...
 
Chingha said:
So does infringing patents equal copying?

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/laptops/ste...msung-and-ipad-2-rivals-as-copycats-50003016/
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*sigh* No is the answer 'tho, no doubt, not the one you were looking for.

Most tech companies "pool" patents in order to promote open standards, and save a little on R&D themselves. Pooling benefits the industry as a whole, while the contributing companies profit from licensing their own patents to other manufacturers in what are supposed to be "fair, reasonable and non-discriminatory terms.” This case started back in 2009 after Apple felt that Nokia, who had already committed the 10 patents in question to the pool, were discriminating their licensing terms against Apple.
The patents are GSM, UMTS standard as well as 802.11 WiFi technologies related, so copying... No.
 
Cube said:
Oh I like this. Even if it is just because Apple has to bow to a wilting mobile giant. Who's your daddy now?

Interesting that the more desperate companies become, the more pissing contests pop up.
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Dude, do you know what the lawsuit was about? If you want me to pay you R2 for your service, and I'm willing to pay you R0.50, and we eventually settle for R1 payment, who won?


greg0205 said:
*sigh* No is the answer 'tho, no doubt, not the one you were looking for.

Most tech companies "pool" patents in order to promote open standards, and save a little on R&D themselves. Pooling benefits the industry as a whole, while the contributing companies profit from licensing their own patents to other manufacturers in what are supposed to be "fair, reasonable and non-discriminatory terms.” This case started back in 2009 after Apple felt that Nokia, who had already committed the 10 patents in question to the pool, were discriminating their licensing terms against Apple.
The patents are GSM, UMTS standard as well as 802.11 WiFi technologies related, so copying... No.
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+1
You know your stuff bro.
 
For years I told people intel is evil and AMD is good. They called me a troll. Then intel settled and paid AMD billions.
For years I told people appple is evil and Nokia is good. They called me a troll. Then apple settled and paid Nokia billions.

People, take my advice. Already told you once, once or twice. Don't waste your energy. Making apologies. Get right with me.
 
Rouxenator said:
For years I told people intel is evil and AMD is good. They called me a troll. Then intel settled and paid AMD billions.
For years I told people appple is evil and Nokia is good. They called me a troll. Then apple settled and paid Nokia billions.

People, take my advice. Already told you once, once or twice. Don't waste your energy. Making apologies. Get right with me.
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Nokia good? Didn't it pay Qualcomm millions for IP infringement?

PS! Roux, it's not billions, probably runs into millions, cross licencing is a bitch. Apple is paying less so that Nokia does not have to pay for some of Apple's IP.
 
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news24 said:
Dude, do you know what the lawsuit was about? If you want me to pay you R2 for your service, and I'm willing to pay you R0.50, and we eventually settle for R1 payment, who won?
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Sure, I get that, but the fact remains Apple is now a Nokia Licensee as a result. Admittedly, I do not know what the degree of compromise is, though.

Point is, Nokia will be paid royalties, whereas Apple, whom also brought a similar suite against Nokia a few months after is not receiving similar compensation.

Edit: You answered an unwritten question in another post, relating to the above comment.
 
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Nokia and Apple will now share/pool their patents so it is a win-win for both. The money Apple must pay to Nokia will be gained from its own IP portfolio where other already pay - or will pay - Apple to use its patents.

What everyone here is missing however is:

Apple made a very smart move here. It now set a legal platform that will affect Android manufactures in a big way. With Apple acknowledging the validity of Nokia's patents others will have to do the same. Apple can afford to do so with its huge income and huge IP portfolio, but can the others, like Samsung and HTC? This is now where things get very interesting. Apple, in settling this case with Nokia, may just have hit their competition with a sledgehammer.
 
BeVonk! said:
Nokia and Apple will now share/pool their patents so it is a win-win for both. The money Apple must pay to Nokia will be gained from its own IP portfolio where other already pay - or will pay - Apple to use its patents.

What everyone here is missing however is:

Apple made a very smart move here. It now set a legal platform that will affect Android manufactures in a big way. With Apple acknowledging the validity of Nokia's patents others will have to do the same. Apple can afford to do so with its huge income and huge IP portfolio, but can the others, like Samsung and HTC? This is now where things get very interesting. Apple, in settling this case with Nokia, may just have hit their competition with a sledgehammer.
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And there you have it haters, the big picture... Thanks BeVonk!
 
MacRumors article, supporting my earlier comments:

There a larger, much more strategic victory here as well. By agreeing to pay royalties for Nokia's patents, Apple has set a market price -- and given Nokia's patents serious legitimacy. Apple wouldn't pay anything if they didn't have to, and other companies may not want to fight over turf Apple has already acquiesced to Nokia.

Other companies, notably Android handset manufacturers, may now have to play ball with Nokia on these patents -- and they don't necessarily have the margins to send 1% of gross revenues to Nokia as easily as Apple can. In fact, because Apple has so many of its own patents (some of which it cross-licensed to Nokia) other manufacturers may have to pay even more for the same licenses.

Florian Mueller has suggested just that at FOSS Patents:

"Given that Android is in many ways a rip-off of Apple's operating software, Android-based devices are highly likely to infringe on largely the same Nokia patents that Apple now felt forced to pay for. This is a sweet defeat for Apple because its competitors -- especially those building Android-based devices -- will also have to pay Nokia, and most if not all of them will likely have to pay more on a per-unit basis because they don't bring as much intellectual property to the table as Apple definitely did."

Apple pays off Nokia, but exposes the competition as well. Competition that doesn't have as much money or intellectual property to barter with.
 
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