Apple iPhone 5 unveiled

$200... naturally not close to what it will be like equivalent when it hits here.... eventually

Strange obsession they have with going thinner and lighter.... i would've prefered keep the same/similar thickness and weight as 4s and increase battery capacity... extra hour or 2 battery life will mean more than a few mm or grams saved
 
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Nokia Lumia much Apple ?

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Beat you to it :D
 
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It does not differ much from the 4 design?
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No you're absolutely right, that's why I think people have been initially underwhelmed by it. "It's just an iPhone 4" etc. But take a look at the video where Jonny Ive talks up the design process. This thing is the Armani custom tailored suit of electronics (vs SGS3's camo gear I think is an apt metaphor). It's pure class. Immediately make the iPhone4 look cheap and chubby.


I am interested to know what the reasoning behind adding this feature is. Apple have always had the best touch responsiveness. And you have to wonder if this adds a higher risk to the reliability of the device.
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It's not well advertised since capacitive screens are quite impressive in themselves, but it's actually a highly unresponsive laggy touchscreen technology (we're talking 50-100ms response rates frequently). Resistive screens have far higher response rates for instance - one reason why Nintendo stuck with resistive screens on their Wii U and 3DS. There is plenty of room for improvement in the feel of the touchscreens - Nokia did something great with the 920 as well. I think this is one feature that also doesn't immediately strike as impressive but in use will make a huge difference to the 'feel' of the phone.

Maybe, but is it necessary? To me, it seems a bit silly to have console-level graphics on a device that small. Considering the battery drain, and no tangible benefit, it also has me questioning whether the even more sensitive screen has the reliability to match. Perhaps on an iPad I would be better convinced...
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He said at one point that iTouch is the nr1 videogame console on earth. Not sure how he gets those numbers but I reckon it's not far off. iPhones are gaming class devices for a lot of people. Not to mention that the GPU is what makes things like that Flyover demo so impressive.

Benchmarks are one thing, but Apple have never needed benchmarks for vinidication. UI responsiveness is most important, I would have hoped that Apple touched on it more (if they did, then I missed it).
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That is absolutely true. They didn't touch on it much but I posted the Anandtech hands on above and to me it immediately looks far more responsive. Responsiveness is also related to the touchscreen thing. They kept talking up how much faster it was loading and switching apps.

Definitely, I was quite impressed. Definitely won't be missing Google Maps.
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Well now there are some rumours coming out about Google Maps future tech that makes me think maybe they missed a trick here.

Agreed. Given that the 5 employs a single radio chip, could be possible. But this might also cause worse battery life- constant polling etc.
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Yea it waits to be seen. All we got was a measly slide with some vague percentage numbers.

But will most likely be eclipsed by Sony, so no more king of the hill for them.
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Think it'll be plenty good enough to stand up. The panorama mode - ok everyone's had panorama for yonks, but the demo in action was insanely fast and it really seems to work.

Samsung definitely missed the boat on this, the Galaxy Player is garbage. I really like the new iPod Touch, but they are pushing the terminology of video game console here. I love how the nano looks just like the Nokia Lumia range :p:
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EVERYONE missed the boat here. It's this tidy little profit machine that they have completely to themselves. And by the looks of the new iTouch, they'll continue to own that market.

Also available in Jelly Bean.
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Yea I didn't realize that. Still can't figure out how to do it on my phone though :o
 
mercurial said:
WTF would you want a nano-sim? They waste their time on making rubbish features that is not needed.
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Out of interest did you criticise the micro-SIM and when Apple introduced it?
It's now the norm.

I don't get hung up on the importance of these trends. The world will decide with time whether nano-SIMs are a good idea or not.

When Samsung introduce the nano-SIM I expect you to be criticising it
Or will you?
 
Roman4604 said:
Not so clear cut in the corporate world where MS Exchange Server is the norm. How does the stock Samsung mail app work with Exchange? iOS's mail app is a darn good replication of Outlook's full functionality on a phone.
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Q. How does the stock Samsung mail app work with Exchange?
A. Very well

Samsung's mail app on ICS4 works very well
- Push based ActveSync,
- Corporate Exchange policies (remote wipe, forced password, encryption, etc)
- Mail, contacts, GAL, tasks, folders
- Rich text, HTML
- etc

There are lots of 3rd party Exchange clients on Android on the play store.
see NitroDesk Touchdown - see play.google.com:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nitrodesk.droid20.nitroid
 
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I was willing to admit that Apple made a superior product if they did, unfortunately that is not the case.

Have a look at this article. It looks like there were more changes between the 4 and the 4s than the 4s and the 5.
 
I haven't bothered reading past the first 4 pages of this thread, because as expected it's filled with the ravings of Apple-Haters. Never mind that the iPhone 5 is actually a very decent product, it's from Apple so it's obviously going to be ****. Really, compare the specs to the Galaxy S III for example, the iPhone 5 matches it in nearly every category apart from screen size.

Oh, in case anyone here 'accuses' me of an Apple fanboy, I would just like to state that I do not own one single Apple product. I have an Android phone and a Windows PC.
 
The iPhone 4S has been the biggest selling single model smartphone ever. The design is iconic. Why would Apple move too far away from something that already works so well? The changes to iPhone 5 are mostly incremental, but they've pushed the boundaries on what is possible to do based on current available technologies.
1) People wanted a bigger screen, so they stretched it to offer 16:9, ideal for viewing video.
2) They made it 18% thinner; at 7,6mm it's a full 1 mm thinner than the S3.
3) Depite having a bigger screen, it's 22g lighter. The glass back has been replaced by machined aluminium - it's beautiful!
4) They've added LTE, but the battery life has been improved!
5) With the A6 processor they've improved the graphics performance and the overall speed. The 4S was already pretty snappy!
6) They camera has been improved, and panarama capability has been added to the native camera app.
7) The addition of LTE capability.

Nothing groundbreaking, I agree, but overall an improvement in every aspect.
 
These arguments - like those in the PD section - will never produce a "winner" because people will stick to what they believe in (or not believe in) no matter what is presented. I cannot understand/appreciate why some people buy the things they do because it makes no sense to me ... but to them for reasons I cannot appreciate it does.
 
I'd like to ask my mother to pick one up in NY next week, or in the UK, but what are the chances of seeing the new sim card here any time soon?
 
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Biscuit1018 said:
Out of interest did you criticise the micro-SIM and when Apple introduced it?
It's now the norm.

I don't get hung up on the importance of these trends. The world will decide with time whether nano-SIMs are a good idea or not.

When Samsung introduce the nano-SIM I expect you to be criticising it
Or will you?
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My point is simple - the world expected Apple to produce something revolutionary, as they like to tout the word "revolutionary" and "innovation". What did they deliver? Bollocks. They waste their time on a stupid sim thing instead of actual better features for the phone. When Samsung eventually gets the nano-sim, I won't say anything. Why? Because Samsung make real phones with awesome features.
 
BeVonk! said:
These arguments - like those in the PD section - will never produce a "winner" because people will stick to what they believe in (or not believe in) no matter what is presented. I cannot understand/appreciate why some people buy the things they do because it makes no sense to me ... but to them for reasons I cannot appreciate it does.
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Yea it never will, you're totally right. Look frankly there's nothing in the iPhone5 that isn't already somewhere else to some degree. There's certainly nothing as revelatory as the first capacitive touchscreen UI or the retina display; and some promising technology like - well basically NFC - have been missed altogether. I don't even think there is such a technology at present that could be introduced into a phone that would blow people away anymore. It's about refinement and improvement of the existing experience. That's what I was expecting. It would have been nice to see that one killer nobody-has-ever-dreamed-of-before feature but I didn't really believe it would be there.

What I did see was something that is leagues ahead of anything else in build quality, that appears to have the best quality screen anywhere, that's noticeably a huge amount faster than current gen phones, and that integrates the whole thing into an overall experience that can't really be touched anywhere else. If that package is disappointing I don't know what else in smartphones will ever excite people again.

And then on top of that when I thought they were done with the presentation after the iPhone, they just kept rolling out new features. Not small ones either - a series of knockouts. New iTouch is going to dominate, new iPod, new iTunes (and new iOS ITunes), new earphones. If you can look at that whole lineup and then think that they stopped innovating... well anyway I guess some people can but to me they're still on top of their game as ever.
 
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Very nice. Incredible industrial design
Not sure how they managed to pull off A15 in the A6.

But I don't like the bigger size.
Going to give it a miss
 
cerebus said:
No you're absolutely right, that's why I think people have been initially underwhelmed by it. "It's just an iPhone 4" etc. But take a look at the video where Jonny Ive talks up the design process. This thing is the Armani custom tailored suit of electronics (vs SGS3's camo gear I think is an apt metaphor). It's pure class. Immediately make the iPhone4 look cheap and chubby.
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I think to look at it another way- this is the Aston Martin of phones. The design language does not change much, but it is still impressive. I dunno about the "camo gear" comparision (seems a bit harsh) but the S3 is not in the same class. Not that it is a badly designed phone mind you, ergonomically it is brilliant.


It's not well advertised since capacitive screens are quite impressive in themselves, but it's actually a highly unresponsive laggy touchscreen technology (we're talking 50-100ms response rates frequently). Resistive screens have far higher response rates for instance - one reason why Nintendo stuck with resistive screens on their Wii U and 3DS. There is plenty of room for improvement in the feel of the touchscreens - Nokia did something great with the 920 as well. I think this is one feature that also doesn't immediately strike as impressive but in use will make a huge difference to the 'feel' of the phone.
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I see. This puts things into more perspective. But now it begs another question- does this mean Apple are admitting that iOS will no longer be able to claim to be the smoothest and most responsive mobile OS? I am very interested to see the improvements when the final builds of Jelly Bean are released. I still do have concerns over the reliability of the new screen, in general day to day handling and usage. Remember the days when the first batch of touch screen phones came out (a few HTC's come to my mind)?

He said at one point that iTouch is the nr1 videogame console on earth. Not sure how he gets those numbers but I reckon it's not far off. iPhones are gaming class devices for a lot of people. Not to mention that the GPU is what makes things like that Flyover demo so impressive.
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Well... it is an Apple statement so I do take that with a pinch of salt :) but I do understand where he is coming from. Would have preferred that he said gaming device.

That is absolutely true. They didn't touch on it much but I posted the Anandtech hands on above and to me it immediately looks far more responsive. Responsiveness is also related to the touchscreen thing. They kept talking up how much faster it was loading and switching apps.
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This relates to my post above. I think that iOS 6 has not been significantly changed. Not sure if this is because Jelly Bean was more of an update than a revision, but I am interested to see how this pans out. Apple have always trumpeted the slickness of their UI- if Android does not take advantage of this incremental update, it would frankly be disappointing.

Well now there are some rumours coming out about Google Maps future tech that makes me think maybe they missed a trick here.
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Gonna do some reading up on this, sounds interesting.

Yea it waits to be seen. All we got was a measly slide with some vague percentage numbers.
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And that didn't work out too well with the iPad and it's overheating issue...

Think it'll be plenty good enough to stand up. The panorama mode - ok everyone's had panorama for yonks, but the demo in action was insanely fast and it really seems to work.
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For sure, as long as the quality has not decreased I see no reason why they need to up the ante. Smartphones should be able to double as acceptable camera replacements, so Apple has it done correctly here IMO.

EVERYONE missed the boat here. It's this tidy little profit machine that they have completely to themselves. And by the looks of the new iTouch, they'll continue to own that market.
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No disputing that. If I were in the market for a portable media player, they would be second choice to a Nexus 7.

Yea I didn't realize that. Still can't figure out how to do it on my phone though :o
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Neither can I, I can only assume that this feature is built into the official releases...

I don't think the Android vendor community will be worried about what the iPhone 5 has to offer. It doesn't trump them in any way. But it is a rather improved product.
 
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