Apple iPhone 5 unveiled

sand_man said:
But.... passbook does just that and it was featured extensively at this keynote address and using your exact example of purchasing from starbucks!!!
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Interesting, care to explain how passbook works? haven't heard much of it.
 
BeVonk! said:
Bottom line: the smart phone market has matured. The lead has been lost and the race is now almost even. The quality of the ice cream is the same now ... so it's now about flavour.

Apple will now have to focus on something different to do what they have done in the past with the iPod, iPhone and iPad when it disrupted industries. iPhone is now just another top league smartphone choice. Apple needs a new iSomething that will make people go "Wow!".
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Have to agree with that 100%.Also doesn't help that the market had predicted it all before release date!
Still looking forward to getting my hands on one though - roll on December :D
 
cerebus said:
Yea it never will, you're totally right. Look frankly there's nothing in the iPhone5 that isn't already somewhere else to some degree. There's certainly nothing as revelatory as the first capacitive touchscreen UI or the retina display; and some promising technology like - well basically NFC - have been missed altogether. I don't even think there is such a technology at present that could be introduced into a phone that would blow people away anymore. It's about refinement and improvement of the existing experience. That's what I was expecting. It would have been nice to see that one killer nobody-has-ever-dreamed-of-before feature but I didn't really believe it would be there.
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Thats the problem with innovation, you can not see it looking ahead, only looking back you would go why the hell did I not think of that, and we are in no way at the end of innovation, just look at Nokia Lumia 920 and Windows Phones as an example:

Contact-less charging, Pureview and image stabilizing among just some of the things, and we have not even talked about OS upgrades.

TL;DR Innovation is not dead, not by a long shot.

The iPhone 5 will sell, and it will sell well. way to many people are hooked on the eco system and sit with small fortunes in apps, but its moved from the BMW and is now the Toyota Camry

To use a car analogy, six years ago the iPhone was like a sexy new flagship model from BMW or Porsche. Today it's a Toyota Camry. Safe, reliable, boring. The car your mom drives. The car that's so popular that its maker doesn't dare mess with the formula.
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BeVonk! said:
Bottom line: the smart phone market has matured. The lead has been lost and the race is now almost even. The quality of the ice cream is the same now ... so it's now about flavour.

Apple will now have to focus on something different to do what they have done in the past with the iPod, iPhone and iPad when it disrupted industries. iPhone is now just another top league smartphone choice. Apple needs a new iSomething that will make people go "Wow!".
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Amen, brother.
 
cerebus said:
I couldn't agree...less. The market has matured but I do not see the same level of quality across the board. I'm fairly confident (but obviously can be very wrong) that they'll still end up having the same level of dominance as the 4S. It's such a marketable device, new this's and that's notwithstanding.
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Why are you being such an Apple cheerleader? i can understand if you love their devices but what do you get out of defending them so much.
The market has matured, there is no "best phone" anymore but rather the best phone for you. The smartphone boom seems to have reached its peak and soon people wont care what phone you are using as long as you are comfortable with what you are using.
The updates in this new phone are welcome but only for those that have already bought into the whole eco-system but its not anything worth ranting and raving about.
 
Third Blue From the Sun said:
I think to look at it another way- this is the Aston Martin of phones. The design language does not change much, but it is still impressive. I dunno about the "camo gear" comparision (seems a bit harsh) but the S3 is not in the same class. Not that it is a badly designed phone mind you, ergonomically it is brilliant.
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It's something most other phone manufacturers still haven't really figured out - what the tech adopters want and what the massmarket wants are not the same thing at all, or even close. People want something beautiful. Tech guys harp on this and that, but it's irrelevant if the final product doesn't feel like the best thing you've ever held.

I see. This puts things into more perspective. But now it begs another question- does this mean Apple are admitting that iOS will no longer be able to claim to be the smoothest and most responsive mobile OS? I am very interested to see the improvements when the final builds of Jelly Bean are released. I still do have concerns over the reliability of the new screen, in general day to day handling and usage. Remember the days when the first batch of touch screen phones came out (a few HTC's come to my mind)?
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You know, ok my feeling on Jelly Bean is this: yes it's far slicker than it used to be, but that's because it was coming off a very low base standard. In the words of Jesus: "I am an unprofitable servant; I have only done what I ought to do." It's still, to my eyes, a very timidly designed OS, lacking the bold graphical flourishes that iOS has in abundance. Compare the animations of combining icons into folders for instance - in iOS the whole screen morphs to accommodate the new view. In JB you get a measly circle around the icon. Or the notifications - ok Android did it first and Apple copied, but look at e.g. the stock ticker - the whole thing is so much classier.

Gonna do some reading up on this, sounds interesting.
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Seems like those streetview cars were collecting a ton more data than we thought and they're going to release it into a whole new level of street map.

No disputing that. If I were in the market for a portable media player, they would be second choice to a Nexus 7.
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MM..tough choice. I need to read though so I give the edge to tablets here.

I don't think the Android vendor community will be worried about what the iPhone 5 has to offer. It doesn't trump them in any way. But it is a rather improved product.
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You don't think so? Lol the iPhone makes them buckle at the knees.
 
IRVING said:
Why are you being such an Apple cheerleader? i can understand if you love their devices but what do you get out of defending them so much.
The market has matured, there is no "best phone" anymore but rather the best phone for you. The smartphone boom seems to have reached its peak and soon people wont care what phone you are using as long as you are comfortable with what you are using.
The updates in this new phone are welcome but only for those that have already bought into the whole eco-system but its not anything worth ranting and raving about.
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If I'd been underwhelmed by what I saw I would have stated as much. But I was totally impressed in every way. Go and read the anti-Apple brigade's posts on here, they are far more vocal than me.
 
I genuinely don't care about phones any more. My current Note 1 is still 100%. This is very weird for me that lived from upgrade to upgrade. I can upgrade one of my contracts already ... but there is not enough reason to jump to another phone any more. The market has matured. I would take any of the top four/five/six smart phones and be happy ... but my Note is still more than adequate and will be for some time to come. My "old" S2 and iPhone 4 are still good enough.

My focus is changing to how all these things (phones, tablets, ultrabooks, etc) serve me best in combination.
 
mercurial said:
Haha, yeah right.
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Son.... the skies could have opened up and Steve Jobs sitting in the heavenlies on a throne could have handed down the iPhone 5 to the world and you would have sneered. Your opinion is quite worthless.
 
cerebus said:
Son.... the skies could have opened up and Steve Jobs sitting in the heavenlies on a throne could have handed down the iPhone 5 to the world and you would have sneered. Your opinion is quite worthless.
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They way you are defending Apple. one would swear he did :)
 
IRVING said:
Interesting, care to explain how passbook works? haven't heard much of it.
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It is a simplified way of storing and managing digital coupons or tickets, and uses 2D barcodes. Shops will need to have these barcode scanners.

Passbook has no where near the capabilities of NFC
 
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BeVonk! said:
I genuinely don't care about phones any more. My current Note 1 is still 100%. This is very weird for me that lived from upgrade to upgrade. I can upgrade one of my contracts already ... but there is not enough reason to jump to another phone any more. The market has matured. I would take any of the top four/five/six smart phones and be happy ... but my Note is still more than adequate and will be for some time to come. My "old" S2 and iPhone 4 are still good enough.

My focus is changing to how all these things (phones, tablets, ultrabooks, etc) serve me best in combination.
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The S2 and iPhone4 have aged very well.
 
cerebus said:
Son.... the skies could have opened up and Steve Jobs sitting in the heavenlies on a throne could have handed down the iPhone 5 to the world and you would have sneered. Your opinion is quite worthless.
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Cerebus, first you totally agree with me and then you turn around and totally disagree. It's as if there is a chip in your brain that keeps on setting you to a pro-Apple default position all the time. At times you write more balanced post but the chip in the end always wins (back to default). It's therefore not fair to give Merc such a hard time as if you are not guilty yourself.
 
cerebus said:
Son.... the skies could have opened up and Steve Jobs sitting in the heavenlies on a throne could have handed down the iPhone 5 to the world and you would have sneered. Your opinion is quite worthless.
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haha that made my morning
 
AlphaJohn said:
Thats the problem with innovation, you can not see it looking ahead, only looking back you would go why the hell did I not think of that, and we are in no way at the end of innovation, just look at Nokia Lumia 920 and Windows Phones as an example:

Contact-less charging, Pureview and image stabilizing among just some of the things, and we have not even talked about OS upgrades.

TL;DR Innovation is not dead, not by a long shot.

The iPhone 5 will sell, and it will sell well. way to many people are hooked on the eco system and sit with small fortunes in apps, but its moved from the BMW and is now the Toyota Camry
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Very good point, and I totally agree with the Toyota Camry analogy. But from a business perspective- despite being "boring, reliable and safe", the Camry still sells in droves. And that is all Apple will care about.

I really do like what Nokia are bringing to the table, but a lot of the innovation they are introducing is through necessity.
 
BeVonk! said:
I genuinely don't care about phones any more. My current Note 1 is still 100%. This is very weird for me that lived from upgrade to upgrade. I can upgrade one of my contracts already ... but there is not enough reason to jump to another phone any more. The market has matured. I would take any of the top four/five/six smart phones and be happy ... but my Note is still more than adequate and will be for some time to come. My "old" S2 and iPhone 4 are still good enough.

My focus is changing to how all these things (phones, tablets, ultrabooks, etc) serve me best in combination.
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+1. And I think that this is where Windows 8 are looking to come in- to serve you across all platforms with a singular modus operandi.
 
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